Just got Nihility....

[Hammer of Might]

Ok so it wasn't exactly necessary to just randomly announce it, but...you'll get over it.

I appreciate Sadude's point if I am interpretting it in the way that he intended - if you have some core knowledge about what bands are worth checking out, then it will save you money that you use up gambling on albums?

Nevertheless, this wasn't really a gamble as I'd already heard good things about it. My post was probably rather over the top, but I defnitely think it is an awesome record.

 

[lurch70]

Nihility is by far their best album, due to the following factors:

- The songs have got a staccatto feel that I really like
- Good production (I like the triggered bass drums, actually - machine like and cold )
- Killer riffs (Perfect Dehumanization, 1:05, Mother War's opening riff, etc)
- More variety than on the other albums

Right on ... by far their best release!!!!

 

[Spirit In Black]

Ok so it wasn't exactly necessary to just randomly announce it, but...you'll get over it.

I appreciate Sadude's point if I am interpretting it in the way that he intended - if you have some core knowledge about what bands are worth checking out, then it will save you money that you use up gambling on albums?

Nevertheless, this wasn't really a gamble as I'd already heard good things about it. My post was probably rather over the top, but I defnitely think it is an awesome record.

I don't care if you express your love for good music. It's not like I'm soooo busy that I can't be bothered with this thread. If you like the cd, good, it's great. It's a fucking metal discussion board, discuss whatever the hell you want.

BTW if you have a list of such great metal releases I would also like to see them, cause I am always up for some good DM.

 

[SADUDE]

My list is just obvious. It would be pointless listing it but here goes. Most everyone knows these bands. I am no prophet

 

[Hammer of Might]

errm, where's the list?

 

[SADUDE]

Suffocation and Cryptopsy have consistently pushed the enveloped from the early 90's. I guess morbid angel and Cannibal corpse were relevant for a short while, although I have out grown them. The first 2 deicide still have a small place in me. But deicide I guerss can be on the list.

Immolation

As for modern progression of the genre
Spawn of Possession holds the torch. Im guessing Cryptopsy will continue to do so. Suffocation although great consistently... I don't see furthering, and boradening the horizons. I haven't heard the leaked songs so I don't know.

I like Aeon alot but they are just like a combo of deicide, morbid, and immolation*mainly vocally). I like that they don't need to hyperblast to be one of the brutallest out there. I think there is more to offer in there overall approach than the played out mechanical style of decapitated. As much as I love Nile, in their metal they don't offer much. Overall they offer a very nice package without the samples though and the use of the egyptian scales... They are debatable simply. I love them nonetheless. If Nile lost those things they may be another decapitated. THey have an identity at least I guess. BTW I don't think Decapitated is shitty. They run closely behind the pack.

I may have missed something... there is a quick rundown at your request. A little rant and ramble thrown in for fun...

 

[SculptedCold]

I agree with everything you said. =) There's a couple other bands out there doing interesting things, The Chasm, Lykathea Aflame, Neuraxis, Dripping etc etc etc, but yeah, good bands all.

 

[SADUDE]

I agree with everything you said. =) There's a couple other bands out there doing interesting things, The Chasm, Lykathea Aflame, Neuraxis, Dripping etc etc etc, but yeah, good bands all.

I used to have this list of bands ot chekc out. I could never get through it. Everytime Id cross a band off Id have 5 more on there. But I was crossing off so many bands. THe efficiency was terrible so lately I haven't been searching for much new music. I haven't heard any of the badns you mentioned. But I will check them out. If you at least relate to "my" lineage of dm theory, I think I may like these artists.

 

[SculptedCold]

ah well, they're not really that similar. Neuraxis and Lykathea Aflame are highly melodic (in an experimental way), Dripping are extremely esoteric with their use of sampling and arrangement, and The Chasm are also melodic but write in a very expressive narrative way.

 

[lurch70]

Sadude ...

I have been into Death Metal and Metal in general since 1985 or so and while I do agree with some of your points, I do not agree that those bands are the be all and end all of what the genre can offer.

Deicide, while the biggest seller in the genre is a third rate band in my book. Benton's work in Vital Remains is far superior to what Deicide has done throughout their whole career for example.

All this being said, Nihility, is something that blew me away like no other record did in quite a few years. I do feel that Decapitated are doing something special and original, although their latest, The Negation, is a step in the wrong direction.

 

[SADUDE]

I do agreee about deicide. I wouldn't defend an attack on them. But I think they were influential in the beginning. Now they represent tired, played out cliches. The new record I find to be decent but wouldn't buy. ITs just like buying more shit I already own. ANd I am not fortunate enough to neglectful like that with my income.

 

[Spirit In Black]

All this being said, Nihility, is something that blew me away like no other record did in quite a few years. I do feel that Decapitated are doing something special and original, although their latest, The Negation, is a step in the wrong direction.

I totally agree. I have all of cds of pretty much all the bands SaDude mentioned, and I still think Nihility is awesome and is just different enough to be better than the rest of the DM that has been put out lately. I am not a huge fan of some of the newer extremely technical bands coming out, I just can't get into them cause nothing is memorable. If I were to mention bands that Decapitated is following the only one that comes to mind is Vader, but Decapitated are more technical and have only release three cd's so far.

 

[Oceanic Motion]

I am not a huge fan of some of the newer extremely technical bands coming out, I just can't get into them cause nothing is memorable.

Yeah, exactly. I find that only a handful of technical DM bands that i can listen to a song and think "Ah, thats 'Bloody Prolapse' by Severed Savior." I'll give the stuff a chance but more often than not i can't remember what the fuck I just heard the second it finishes.

 

[Spirit In Black]

Yeah, exactly. I find that only a handful of technical DM bands that i can listen to a song and think "Ah, thats 'Bloody Prolapse' by Severed Savior." I'll give the stuff a chance but more often than not i can't remember what the fuck I just heard the second it finishes.

Yeah exactly I love listening to a band that is technical, but sometimes they go overboard and lack good songwriting. Suffocation is a good example, they are very technical and brutal, but somehow the riffs are memorable and the songs have their own identity, which alot of new bands just don't do......maybe that's why every brutal death band is copying them now.

 

[SculptedCold]

Psycroptic and Spawn of Possession are probably my favourite uber-tech DM bands. I'm not at all bothered by how memorable something is. If I enjoy how it sounds as i'm listening to it, then i'll tend to like the overall package. I have trouble remembering even 'catchy' things, so I tend to focus on melody if there is any, or otherwise general song and riff construction, as well as lyrical/vocal structure. Obviously catchy stuff can be cool, but there's just so much that can't be called catchy in any way and yet is otherwise excellent. Maybe a band like Gorguts or Yattering for example. I've yet to find anything -even a single riff- catchy in either band and yet their music is fascinating nonetheless.

 

[SADUDE]

Actually not being able to remember the songs adds to the replay value of me. I will just listen to it more. I have had the Spawn of possession cd now for what maybe a year? I still can't tell what parts are going to come up next. IT twists and turns and is hard to catch up to. It makes me really pay attention. With most albums the predictabillity kills me. I have to listen to the cd's on random. Now I get pleasure of shuffling cd's in a changer... It is the only way I can listen to most of my cd's even though I love them.
But I guess this just reflects by movie experiences. There are about 5 movies tha I have already seen that I would want to see again. The suprise element is appealing to me.

 

[Spirit In Black]

See I don't like surprises. I like to know what is coming up next. I love knowing songs all the way through and being able to remember every riff and to "sing" along at parts. But then again I tend to get tired of some stuff very quickly, that is probably why I have over 200 metal cds. I don't like stuff that extremely catchy, but some stuff I try to get into but it just never happens.

For the most part when a band blows me away on the first listen, I get tired of it very quickly and don't listen to it anymore (All Shall Perish for example). But bands that I put more effort into like Suffocation or Immolation I usually want to listen more and more because there is more to be discovered under the surface of their music. I get drawn in by maybe one or two riffs in one song then I pick up another one in another song and it just snowballs from their.

 

[SculptedCold]

Actually not being able to remember the songs adds to the replay value of me. I will just listen to it more. I have had the Spawn of possession cd now for what maybe a year? I still can't tell what parts are going to come up next. IT twists and turns and is hard to catch up to. It makes me really pay attention. With most albums the predictabillity kills me. I have to listen to the cd's on random. Now I get pleasure of shuffling cd's in a changer... It is the only way I can listen to most of my cd's even though I love them.
But I guess this just reflects by movie experiences. There are about 5 movies tha I have already seen that I would want to see again. The suprise element is appealing to me.

That's exactly what happens with me also. The complexity and incomprehensibility of a CD often just makes me want to listen to it more and spend more time with it, provided I like the music, even if there's never any pay-off in regards to memorability.

Spawn of Possession are a good example aren't they? =) I find them almost catchy and a great listen, but it's so complex it's just impossible to remember anything afterwards. I like it that way though, you're right, it adds to the replay value.

 

[SADUDE]

Of course I love he predictability in metalcore. Knowing when you need to runnup and get near the mic for a sing-a-long. KNowing before a huge breakdown is about to make the place explode and feel the adrenaline build.

 

[Oceanic Motion]

Of course I love he predictability in metalcore. Knowing when you need to runnup and get near the mic for a sing-a-long. KNowing before a huge breakdown is about to make the place explode and feel the adrenaline build.

You goddamn right!

I suppose the predicability element is what excites me about CD's, but its when I hear songs and have absolutely no recollection of that song at all. At least with Spawn of Possession i don't know what the fuck is coming next but when I heard it i think "oh yeah *head bang* *air-blast beats* ".

But some albums and some types of music are totally better once you know them back-to-front and upside down, thats when I get the best out of the CD. If I get tired of it I just keep it in my CD rack and forget about it, and when I feel like listening to something that I haven't heard for a while I'll pop it in my CD player along with maybe 2 other CD's and a Mini Disc and proceed to get my ass kicked!