Kvelldsanger--Ulver

batmura said:
Cool - are you of Norwegian descent or did you just ask someone from Norway before?

Thanks man.
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The translations are available at metal-archives. The site is useful for that kind of trivia.
 
My Man Mahmoud said:
Yes, to be worthwhile, I expect bands not to be second-rate imitations of other bands (what a concept!). I know that doesn't matter much to people like you, but for those of us who aren't trying to substitute our album collections for a penis, this is something of a concern.



Except it isn't actually true - as Aeternus, Ildjarn, Gorgoth and the even the excreable Dimmu Borgir (who at least suck entirely on their own merits) amply prove.



What 'validity'? It's a mainstream awards show - these are, by definition, commercial whore fests.



Depends on the act - Mortiis wasn't terribly original, Aghast was.



Did I say they 'completely paralleled' Ulver? I just pointed out that Ulver ripped a lot of these bands off for bits and pieces of the Themes....



By March of 1996 (when Nattens Madrigal, the Ulver album in question, was released), Ildjarn had already released two full-lengths, two EP's, and three demo recordings, all fleshing out the same basic sound.



And no one implied that it did - the earliest incarnations of Ulver found the band deep in the throes of Darkthrone worship. You really should try actually reading what other people write before you respond to them.



Ildjarn remained consistently brilliant up through Strength and Anger, after that, the drop off was fairly precipitous (with the exception of Hardangervidda, which was great) - but then again, considering the 5 year layoff between Strength and Anger and the next release, that's hardly surprising.



Certainly they had technical skills at their disposal that some of the other bands of the period didn't (chiefly Burzum and Ildjarn - though most of the other major bands of the period were at least their equals as players, and some, like Emperor and Immortal, were clearly MORE skilled, but that's neither here nor there), but it's hardly relevant as they weren't making use of those skills in their recordings. Instead, their actual records were technically simple and aurally lo-fi in the vein of the minimalist artists they were aping. Ulver simply never were first tier players in black metal, and, despite what their metal blinkered fans think, they're not first tier players in trip hop either.
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Certainly, one of the best responses/rebuttals ever!!
 
Seems like MMM's problem is he has lots of musical knowledge (metal at least, i wouldn't like to comment on hip-hop and electronics without knowing a great deal about it myself) but has hearing difficulties.

Opeth take lots of ideas and influences from earlier bands but actually sound completely different to their inspiration (bar a track or two) please give me any examples of any songs or bands that sound like Opeth released before the Opeth song in question.

Ulver obviously at first took a big influence from the originators but so did everyone back then, more than Opeth they have had accusations of particular songs being stolen but overall through the years they have developed a sound that is their own.
 
Tubbs Mcgee said:
Speaking of Ulver, 2 people on another forum just told me that Dimmu Borgir is better than Ulver. Should I make fun of them, or just ignore them from now on? :erk:

Yes, I still post here btw.
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Now when you for once is in a position to make fun of anybody, by all means do it.
 
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