LA Ampfest 2010 : James Lugo massive amp shootout
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Notuern
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Personally, i think a majority of the sounds are really good.. i honestly agree about the high gain tones though, they pretty much suck.
I just had to have a rant at you guys.
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Personally, i think a majority of the sounds are really good.. i honestly agree about the high gain tones though, they pretty much suck.
I just had to have a rant at you guys.
hahaha yeah. I think the non heavy sounds are precent decent. Metal tones just suck ballz though.
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I think you guys are being to hard on them. The tones they dialled show amp character, whereas most of the stuff we come up with that is considered a cool tone can be achieved with almost any amp given the right settings and boost, maybe a touch of eq.
lolzgreg
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Most of the amps are dialed in way too bass heavy, and quite dark. There's tons of farting going on, and even some clipping for that matter. I know this wasn't easy to organize or set up, and I've spoken to James on numerous occasions (he's a freaking awesome guy- super polite and friendly), but I was hoping for a bit more this time around too.
So much this.
I like the last shootout they did where the guitars were presented in the mix. Even though none of those tones were geared towards modern metal, it was still cool to hear it in context.
I've seen the mix context shootout preparation videos but not the final one... what was the name of the video ?
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Honestly, my criticism (and perhaps some of the other criticisms posted too) have nothing to do with what particular sub genres of metal they may have been playing.
I don't know about you, but instead of hearing something professional, it just sounded like two guys that haven't picked up their guitars in about a month just fucking around with whatever metal riffs that came to mind that they knew.
Would have much preferred something more orderly and playing the same stuff for each amp, so would get a better basis for comparison.
+1
Honestly, when I think James Lugo, I'm thinking of great, world class tones that would slot straight into a mix, not some tubby, farting (sometimes even fizzy) crap.
As I said previously, just really underwhelming considering the hype surrounding it all.
Some stuff he did before (mixes) which sounded amazing in terms of guitar tone, and the preparation videos for that ampfest, which got us hooked.
And yeah 1500 views for videos that have been posted just a couple of days ago is a lot IMO. Keep in mind this is not the new Lady Gaga video, this is total GEAR NERD videos (who would watch 15-minute-long amp testing videos seriously ?
), not something you're gonna see on the youtube homepage anytime soon As a comparison, Ola's Youtube videos have had quite some hype going on for some time now, and his latest videos from the past 2 weeks have like 5000 views. And i think metalheads are way more GEAR NERDs (in the "i watch metal amp tests videos all day long" way, not in the "i drive 5 hours to get to try that 1972 boutique Marshall amp" way) than rockheads (which are the main targets for those James Lugo videos).
Then again, i like those videos, i just wish they had set up the while thing (mic / player) properly for metal tones and not only for rock tones (which i dig), considering the amazing amps they got for this.
When i mean properly, i mean this :
1)they play a rock riff (from Hendrix to Soundgarden to Dokken) on a rock "setting" on the amp, it sounds killer
2)then they dial the amp for a more metal tone and play a somewhat metal (i mean very heavy, not dokken kind of stuff (which is more on the rock/soft side)) riff, and it sounds killer
Right now in these videos 2) is more like the following :
2)then they dial the amp for a more metal tone and play a somewhat metal (i mean very heavy, not dokken kind of stuff (which is more on the rock/soft side)) riff, and it sounds bassy/muddy/farty/distorted as hell
I just wish they also tested the set-up/amps/settings/players for a more (heavy) metal tone in the preparation phase, so that the final videos sound fine for BOTH rock and metal.
For now the "metal" videos sound like rock trying to go metal and failing at it, whereas the "rock" videos (esp. the "classic tones" ones) and "heavy rock" videos (the MOD squad" videos, a bit on the heavier side, but a bit bassier/muddier as well) sound like rock in a proper way, and are better tones even for metal IMO ! To me the best tones both for metal and rock where from the "beret hat with strat" dude in those videos. The Les Paul long-haired dude (who you would think was the "metalhead") suited more for rock kind of stuff (his Soundgarden bits were incredible), but not for heavy metal IMO.
I've yet to watch all the videos (i've seen half), and i'm very interested in the one where you can hear the guitar tones in a mix contest, but then again : WHAT'S THE TITLE FOR THAT VIDEO ?
Now back to the interesting part of this ampfest :
* when you get rockheads (from Hendrix to Soundgarden to Dokken) who play guitars/amps with a rock approach and try to play (heavy) metal, it will still sound like rock and have a very similar rock tone from one amp to the other
* when you get a metalhead (Ola / Lasse / Vogg Decapitated / Sneap) who can get a killer metal tone with one specific amp to do a metal amp shootout, the clips are all gonna sound killer for metal but still very similar too
It just shows how the approach (hands/riff/playing/guitar/pup's/amp settings/cab/speaker/miking/post-processing) makes most of the tone and the amp choice is just a minor parameter in the final tone.
So everyone just watch the "classic tone"/"Mod squad" videos and not the "metal liquid" ones, the first ones were done with a proper rock approach and have killer tones, mainly suited for rock but still good for metal, whereas the second ones have a FAILish metal approach and suck both for rock and metal.
EDIT : i edited my post million times already
Let it burn...
Orgasm Donor
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is it ok to listen to those videos while doing some real-life shit like house chores and workout and shit ?
EDIT : Not to mention the irony of checking out this thread and reading some comments and then writing a comment saying to tell us to get a life...
Just sayin'
Notuern
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I so just totally disagree with you.
Rockheads(By that i mean everything from Zeppelin -> Dokken.) in my experience are way more meticulous in picking out their gear.
George Lynch for example.. i cant even remember all the different brands of amps he have been using.
Its been playing everything from Marshall, Randall, Peavey, Egnater, Bogner, Mesa Boogie, Soldano, Diezel, VHT, Ampeg, Metaltronix, ADA, Mojave, Sullivan and PWE(Just the ones on top of my head!).. according to him self, he still havent found a tone that has completely satisfied him.
He gets pretty much every single pedal he buys modified with the kind of electrical components he prefers soundwise(Often vintage stuff.).
Its kind of unfair though, as George Lynch probably is the most picky person in this world when it comes to gear, but i could honestly name more "rock" players then "metal" players that are real gear nerds.
Personally, i have played guitar for about 5-6 years now, i come from a poor family, yet i have already owned following amps(In order of purchase.):
Roland Cube 30
Randall RX100RH + 4*12
Pod XT
Mosvalve SS-poweramp
Harley Benton 4*12(Vintage 30 version.)
Ampeg VL-1002
Randall RM100
Carvin X100B
Blackstar HT-5
ADA MP-1
GLX TT-5H
Everything until the Randall RM100 there was bought from my "income" of ~130$ a month.. anyways, my point is that considering the time i have played, and how little i have earned, i still have changed more gear then allot of metalheads do in their entire life.. and im still _FAR_ from finding my sound, and i wont give up until i do.
In my experience, "rockers" are much more in to chasing the dream tone then any other group of musicians.. this causes them to know more, and own more gear.
I so just totally disagree with you.
Rockheads(By that i mean everything from Zeppelin -> Dokken.) in my experience are way more meticulous in picking out their gear.
George Lynch for example.. i cant even remember all the different brands of amps he have been using.
Its been playing everything from Marshall, Randall, Peavey, Egnater, Bogner, Mesa Boogie, Soldano, Diezel, VHT, Ampeg, Metaltronix, ADA, Mojave, Sullivan and PWE(Just the ones on top of my head!).. according to him self, he still havent found a tone that has completely satisfied him.
He gets pretty much every single pedal he buys modified with the kind of electrical components he prefers soundwise(Often vintage stuff.).
Its kind of unfair though, as George Lynch probably is the most picky person in this world when it comes to gear, but i could honestly name more "rock" players then "metal" players that are real gear nerds.
Personally, i have played guitar for about 5-6 years now, i come from a poor family, yet i have already owned following amps(In order of purchase.):
Roland Cube 30
Randall RX100RH + 4*12
Pod XT
Mosvalve SS-poweramp
Harley Benton 4*12(Vintage 30 version.)
Ampeg VL-1002
Randall RM100
Carvin X100B
Blackstar HT-5
ADA MP-1
GLX TT-5H
Everything until the Randall RM100 there was bought from my "income" of ~130$ a month.. anyways, my point is that considering the time i have played, and how little i have earned, i still have changed more gear then allot of metalheads do in their entire life.. and im still _FAR_ from finding my sound, and i wont give up until i do.
In my experience, "rockers" are much more in to chasing the dream tone then any other group of musicians.. this causes them to know more, and own more gear.
maybe you miss that bit from my post :
"GEAR NERDs (in the "i watch metal amp tests videos all day long" way, not in the "i drive 5 hours to get to try that 1972 boutique Marshall amp" way)"
lolzgreg
Cereal Shipping Sneapster
I so just totally disagree with you.
Rockheads(By that i mean everything from Zeppelin -> Dokken.) in my experience are way more meticulous in picking out their gear.
George Lynch for example.. i cant even remember all the different brands of amps he have been using.
Its been playing everything from Marshall, Randall, Peavey, Egnater, Bogner, Mesa Boogie, Soldano, Diezel, VHT, Ampeg, Metaltronix, ADA, Mojave, Sullivan and PWE(Just the ones on top of my head!).. according to him self, he still havent found a tone that has completely satisfied him.
He gets pretty much every single pedal he buys modified with the kind of electrical components he prefers soundwise(Often vintage stuff.).
Its kind of unfair though, as George Lynch probably is the most picky person in this world when it comes to gear, but i could honestly name more "rock" players then "metal" players that are real gear nerds.
Personally, i have played guitar for about 5-6 years now, i come from a poor family, yet i have already owned following amps(In order of purchase.):
Roland Cube 30
Randall RX100RH + 4*12
Pod XT
Mosvalve SS-poweramp
Harley Benton 4*12(Vintage 30 version.)
Ampeg VL-1002
Randall RM100
Carvin X100B
Blackstar HT-5
ADA MP-1
GLX TT-5H
Everything until the Randall RM100 there was bought from my "income" of ~130$ a month.. anyways, my point is that considering the time i have played, and how little i have earned, i still have changed more gear then allot of metalheads do in their entire life.. and im still _FAR_ from finding my sound, and i wont give up until i do.
In my experience, "rockers" are much more in to chasing the dream tone then any other group of musicians.. this causes them to know more, and own more gear.
You do realize that was George Lynch's personal SLO that was used in that SLO clip, and it sounded like ass.
Notuern
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Ah, k then, my bad!
By the way, its the 1968's that is the shiz niz.
Yes, i do.. and i think that you agree with me that the amp it self doesnt sound bad at all, even though the way it was presented wasn't "ideal".
Again, i never argued about the so called "metal" tones.
But i still think you guys really have though about what he was doing.. he wasn't demoing you guys the amps, he was basically having a party where he and several friends where having a few beers and having a blast playing through a shitload of amps, and he thought it was fun to share the experience basically.
My remarks about your guys opinions is based more on the fact that it seems like you guys are bashing someone for not being good enough at doing something you guys only will dream about doing.
Just my 2 cents.
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