Let's talk wrasslin'

I've been travelling a bit over the past few days, so it gave me a chance to watch Summerslam... I haven't really been keeping up with WWE beyond catching a few things on SquaredCircle, so I went into this almost totally fresh.

Night One
Cardi B seemed nervous introducing the show. Her general tone was just really... awkward.

Roman Reigns and Jey Uso vs. Bron Breakker and Bronson Reed - A decent opener. I found it strange that after all of the abuse Roman gave Jey, Jey was now hugging him and throwing up the 1 like nothing happened. They tried to explain it by saying it showed Jey was confident and sure of himself, but... eh. Match itself was pretty good, no complaints.

Raquel Rodriguez and Roxanne Perez vs. Alexa Bliss and Charlotte Flair - Why is Alexa still carrying around that stupid doll? It was dumb when she started doing it and it still is. The match itself was fine, nothing special but solid enough. Seems Charlotte has managed to win over the crowd which is nice for her. It felt like the hatred directed towards her recently was a bit mean-spirited. It's not like she personally chose how she was booked in the past.

Sami Zayn vs. Karrion Kross (w/Scarlett) - Just OK. Could have been on Raw. There was never any real suspense over Sami 'turning to the dark side' so that part of the story fell kind of flat.

Looks like fans have softened to Hogan after his death, as his tribute was applauded. Apparently the pictures of Trump and Triple H were roundly booed.

Tiffany Stratton vs. Jade Cargill - Short, but understandable. I thought both of them looked green at times. Jade has a great look but doesn't seem to have progressed much in-ring since joining WWE. She can do basic spots fine, but when things get a little more complicated she always seems clumsy.

Jelly Roll and Randy Orton vs. Drew McIntyre and Logan Paul - Fair play to Jelly Roll, I have no idea who he is, but he clearly took the match seriously. I thought he was solid considering he only had a couple of weeks worth of serious training. He took a couple of high impact bumps, too. He also ate the pin, so, respect.

Gunther vs. CM Punk - I've seen mixed opinions on this one. I actually thought the slower style harkened back to older times, where the intimidating heel would dominate only for the face to rally at the end and score the win. It didn't bother me. Punk looked pretty gassed at points, but he managed a 30 minute match, so fair enough.

So Seth's injury was indeed either a work or initially a shoot but not as serious as feared, and therefore turned into a work. Either way it was a cool moment for him to come out and cash in. It helps deepen the blood-feud between him and Punk, and Rollins will seemingly be Punk's main nemesis until he retires. Fun way to end night one. Overall I found the first night to be alright, but nothing too special. The main event and post-match angle were the highlights, everything else was just average to me.

Night Two
Every time I watch a WWE PLE Triple H comes out at the beginning to do a ra-ra speech. very annoying.

Naomi vs. Rhea Ripley vs. Iyo Sky - I liked this match a lot. I thought the three of them pulled off a great triple threat. The only issue is that Naomi only recently won the title, so it was highly unlikely she was going to lose it already.

I was initially shocked to see the Dudleyz and the Hardyz acknowledged in the crowd, but then remembered TNA is basically a WWE feeder/affiliate these days.

TLC Match - Just an insane car crash spot fest, and that was all it was ever going to be with that amount of teams. They went with a spectacle as opposed to telling a story. I have to admit I was thoroughly entertained watching it. Candice LaRae's bump from the ladder inside the ring to the ladder set up outside the ring was brutal. My jaw literally dropped. The landing looked incredibly nasty, basically going leg first into the horizontal ladder outside. I think she's OK but that could have ended badly. Overall a really fun match, but the repeatedly interference from the Wyatt Sicks dragged it down a bit for me. I get that it's No DQ, but in these situations I always think, what's to stop all of the wrestler's friends running down and joining in the chaos? Granted Candice and B-Fab were there as well, but still, it's a logic hole that frustrates me.

Becky Lynch vs. Lyra Valkyria - I thought this was another really good match. They told a solid story and it was hard-hitting without being gratuitous. The Bayley interference was questionable, but overall I thought both women did a really good job here. I will say I'm not a fan of the "you'll never challenge for the belt again" stips because they are never honoured, and I'm sure this one won't be either. Although, the only one I can remember genuinely sticking was Cody in AEW and that became a huge detriment, so... just don't do it.

Solo Sikoa vs. Jacob Fatu - disappointing. This one just didn't click with me, and all of the outside interference just makes a mockery of the cage stipulation.

Dominik Mysterio vs. AJ Styles - Not bad. I enjoyed the throwbacks to earlier matches, although it probably left newer fans who didn't watch those matches a bit cold. The commentators tried to bring the audience up to speed, but it just doesn't hit the same if you don't actually remember the match that's being referenced. Overall good though - Dom has improved a lot over the past couple of years.

John Cena vs. Cody Rhodes - It appears that WWE have cut short Cena's heel run. Probably for the best as they clearly did not have enough ideas beyond the initial turn. Absolutely baffling when you consider the possibilities, but somehow they made one of wrestling's biggest "what if's?" incredibly boring. Making this a street fight helped mask some of current Cena's weaknesses, and overall these two put on a fantastic main event. Light-years better than their WM match. Nice that Cena still had a match like that in him. I wonder if Cody being booed here was a sign of things to come? I expect this time he will eventually turn heel, unlike in AEW where he steadfastly refused and ruined all of his good-will with the fans there.

Lesnar's return was a surprise. Technically he hasn't been charged with anything, and I'm sure WWE will go with that as their defence, but still... seems icky. But then, I don't think TKOWWE care about that at this point. Logistically another Cena/Brock match makes sense for Cena's final run.

I much preferred Night Two to Night One. The matches were more memorable and entertaining. I still think one night is enough, as there were plenty of Raw-level matches, particularly on Night One, which could have been scrapped and nothing of value would have been lost. $$$ though.
 
I actually preferred night one to night two, but overall felt the ppv was lacking to be honest. It might be because I’m generally down on WWE at the moment. Triple H is proving to be quite the scum bag — maybe not Vince level, but still an asshole. The amount of shit he said during SummerSlam weekend was ridiculous. From saying “allegations are only allegations” and “nobody is perfect” in regards to Vince McMahon and all the praise he heaped on Trump in his interviews to actually showing the footage during both nights and muting the crowd because they knew people would boo, the guy just sucks. During his press for the weekend, he talked about how he’s “in the entertainment world, not the political world.” That’s great, except that I guess that only counts when you’re not standing next to President Shitheel, nodding along to all the nonsense he speaks and using your platform and show to further his ridiculous agenda by showing video of all of it. It just came across as really sickening to me and it’s actually quite depressing that wrestling as I know it, feels dead. I don’t care about AEW and the company I loved as a kid just flat out fucking sucks, in pretty much every conceivable way.

As for the show, I generally share your opinions except for the Becky/Lyra match which bored me to the point of almost falling asleep. But again, by the time night two rolled around, I was jaded as hell. I was happy to see Punk get his moment on night one and then kind of letdown that what I thought was going to happen, did happen. Maybe if I hadn’t read right after SNME that the whole thing was a work it would have felt really big. But during Punk’s “celebration”, I sat there thinking “ok, hit Seth’s music, we know he’s coming out.”

It was much the same when Brock came out, though admittedly I didn’t know that was going to happen. I think most of us knew SOMETHING was coming though. I sort of expected Cody to turn heel. Instead Brock came back further cementing how shitty this company is. I’m not sure if you’ve read exactly what the allegations are against him, but it’s disgusting. One of the bigger ones was that Janel Grant claims that Vince was going to use Brock to rape her in a hotel room. Vince brought her to the room and then stalled, apparently waiting for Brock to show up but Brock had gotten drunk in the hotel bar and by the time he made his way to the room, he was too fucked up to get it up and Vince got annoyed with him and called the whole thing off. When I read shit like that, sure, it’s an allegation. But it’s a serious fucking allegation. One that, let’s face it, is probably true. And then you’ve got Triple H and Nick Khan bringing Brock back and saying “nobody is perfect” in regards to Vince McMahon.

After this year I won’t be watching their events anyway as they’re switching to ESPN for PPVs and I’m not planning on paying for that. Seems like a lot of people in the states are in the same boat. It feels like a bad idea moving to a sports-only network that costs more than double per month what Peacock costs. Not all wrestling fans watch sports. Peacock has movies, tv shows, etc. so at least you’re getting that. With ESPN, it’s nothing but sports. They could’ve just kept everything in-house with the WWE Network. Everybody was happy with that. But, you know, fuck what the consumer wants. It’s all about making money!
 
Honestly, she's lucky that's all she got. It was a horrendous fall and not safe in the slightest. She could easily have broken her wrist/arm, fractured her hip or various other injuries. It looked spectacular but imo it shouldn't have been approved as a spot - especially for a performer who technically is not even in the match officially.

As far as Brock is concerned, yeah, bringing him back is sleazy as fuck. That's TKOWWE for you though. It doesn't surprise me as I accepted some time ago this is a company with zero morals.

US viewers seem to be getting fucked worse than anyone else. In most other parts of the world everything is on netflix - Raw, SD and the PPVs. It only seems to be in the States where it's majorly fractured. Once again TKOWWE putting money ahead of the fans. As long as people keep paying, though, unfortunately they'll keep doing it.
 
Apparently they haven't secured a home for the library yet as Peacock and Netflix both passed on it for America. Begrudgingly, if they do find a home for it, I'll most likely get that subscription as long as it's reasonable. I refuse to give this company more than 14, 15 bucks a month lol. I doubt they'll be able to justify charging more than that if it doesn't include PPVs anyway. I don't know if the network put WWE in the hole, if server costs are too high, I have no idea what the situation is, but bringing back WWE Network just for the old stuff seems like the easiest solution. Change the name to WWE Vault or whatever, and just put the full library on there. I'm not sure why they gave us all of it for so long and then took it away. It's maddening.
 
I think when the OG Network came out they just wanted to pull as many subscribers into the platform as possible. By that point there were plenty of lapsed fans who didn't give a shit about the modern product, but they'd still pay a tenner a month for full access to historical content. Presumably they decided the cost of hosting the content was worth it for the amount of subscribers it would draw. Who knows if it panned out that way in reality, but I wouldn't have had the Network for a decade if the old stuff wasn't on there.

Nowadays WWE have already got their bag from Netflix, ESPN, etc, so they don't really give a shit about the archived stuff. If those companies want to pay them for it then fine (UK Netflix has a shitty, incomplete archive of WWE stuff) but otherwise they'll just chuck random stuff on YouTube to trigger some monetisation there instead.
 
Word is that Jericho may be going back to WWE. He'll fit right in with the openly MAGA corporate thing they've got going on. It's going to be pretty funny if they waste his return in Saudi Arabia at the Rumble, which is surely going to be one of the worst Rumbles of all time.

Did you see any of the news bits about Vince's 80th birthday? Apparently it was a two day extravaganza with musical guests and all kinds of other stuff. The guest list caught my eye, when it was reported that Triple H was there, but not Stephanie. Vince himself is definitely looking his age. I was listening to Stevie Richards' podcast -- which if you haven't listened to it (or watched), is excellent -- and Stevie's co-host James commented on Vince's hair by musing that Vince went to his barber and asked him: "you ever seen a badger's ass?" lol good stuff.
 
A final run for Jericho in WWE makes sense. He's been gone for a while and had truly gone stale in AEW. He'd done all there was to do there, and they don't need him to elevate talent nowadays. WWE will position him more sensibly, and there's some fresh feuds he can get involved in - alongside old rivalries - which give plenty of possibilities. Personality-wise, yeah, he'll fit right in there. In this situation it's best for all parties.

Vince's birthday party just proving that, as far as most people are concerned, money and power are far more important than morals. Not that anyone should expect morality from a business like wrestling, which has a past deep-rooted in depravity. Vince has looked rough for a long time now, but he really looks bizarre these days. Hasn't aged well, although the creepy mustache certainly didn't do him any favours.

There was definitely a major falling out with Vince and Steph. Whether that was related to his behaviour - which she must have been aware of for a long time - or simply an act of self-preservation on Stephanie's part, who knows. I get the feeling she can be as ruthless as Vince when she wants to be. I didn't read anything about Shane being there - he's always seemed like a bit of a black sheep, the closest to a decent human being in that family.
 
Sometimes I wonder if everything Triple H and Stephanie do is just for optics. As a father of girls, like Triple H is, it's hard to fathom him being a huge fan of Trump. Does he show up at the White House for these media things just because "it's best for business?" Same with Vince's birthday. Stephanie is his wife and if her and Vince had a falling out, obviously he's taking his wife's side. But then again, maybe not. Money makes people really weird. I would love to be a fly on the wall in Vince McMahon's house for just 24 hours. I mean, the amount of information you'd gather about him would be absolutely insane. When you think of Vince McMahon as a ruthless businessman and you see how he's treated his own children in relation to his now former company, I guess nothing should be surprising.

Those recent photos of Triple H and Stephanie vacationing in Greece has to be the most normal I've ever seen them look. Even when they're trying to look natural, like when they attended a Metallica concert in "metal clothes", but it was all expensive designer shit? It's all a show. But when they're hanging out on a boat as a family, swimming, not expecting to be photographed, it's like catching an animal outside of their natural habitat. It's almost more weird than seeing their corporate act. I guess most of us normal people can't really fathom what it's like being that rich and that high up in a company worth billions.

I'm not sure where you draw the line. The argument is that the people who went to Vince's birthday party feel some sort of gratitude to him. I keep seeing those comments: "their relationship with Vince is between them." Yeah, obviously. But come on, you know most of those people know that he's guilty of at least some of the shit he's accused of. I guess it's once again money being more important than morals.

As far as Jericho, did he really elevate anyone in AEW? The argument was that he had all of these angles with younger talent to "get them over", but I can't really think of anyone he helped. It almost looks like he used them to try and get himself even more over and the AEW fan base finally had enough of it. Self-admittedly, he was there because of the creative freedom (and I'm sure his contract was extremely lucrative), but now he's probably due for the nostalgia act and eventual hall of fame induction. He'll probably miss Cena by a month or two, but I imagine they'll do something with him and KO at some point.
 
I think in the very early days of AEW the lesser-known talent benefited from being associated or having matches with Jericho. To a casual fan it would have made those wrestlers look a bit more legit if they were part of the Inner Circle or in a feud with him. After a year or two, though, I don't think so. AEW's fanbase had been established and there weren't really many casuals tuning in at that point. Certainly in the past few years that's been the case. I thought Jericho's initial work in AEW was solid enough, but after a while it felt like he was both rehashing ideas with being the head of a stable, and also throwing a ton of shit at the wall which rarely stuck. He felt increasingly out of place in a company far more aligned with the ECW/ROH/NJPW model than the WWE sports-entertainment model.

100% the vast majority of what Triple H and Steph do is for optics. Stephanie has obviously stepped back a lot more in recent times, but I have no doubt if Harris was President you'd have Triple H trying to get himself into photo ops with her too - or maybe Stephanie instead, but either way, it's all about promoting the brand and aligning with those in power. They'll just go with whatever is popular, whether that's more progressive groups at certain points or more authoritarian ones at other times. Whatever way the wind blows. As long as the money keeps coming in and the stock price keeps going up.

I'd imagine there's a lot of wilful ignorance around Vince's friends and associates. Hasn't been convicted of anything, it's all hearsay, etc. Deep down, they'll know it's probably true, but the brutal fact is they simply don't care about this woman because she's never made them any money.
 
I think either way, Jericho has done all he can in AEW. Maybe in wrestling as a whole. He's had an unbelievable career. Thinking back to his early days in ECW and then WCW and seeing him go from this kind of goofy "everybody love me!" type of babyface to being a truly entertaining, funny heel in his later WCW days to going to WWE, almost not making it, and then becoming one of their top stars, taking a several year hiatus, coming back and reinventing himself numerous times, then basically getting the only thing close to competition WWE has had in years off the ground and giving them legitimacy... I mean, it's a seriously storied career. He's an obvious hall of fame headliner.
 
Absolutely. His original babyface character in WCW was hilariously bad. Cheesy to the point of parody. I can remember one match in '96 where he was facing Alex Wright and won via countout. He then refused to accept the win, talking about how that's the nWo way and saying he and Wright would fight with all of their hearts for WCW, or something like that. It was insanely cringe and the crowd was dead for it. In a way that made his heel turn more impactful, and it was brilliantly done. The way he'd snap and smash a chair against the ringpost, bullying Penzer only to 'apologise' and then do it again. The increasing disrespect shown to the cruiserweight division, culminating with one of Dean Malenko's most memorable rivalries and probably his most memorable moment when he unmasked after pretending to be Ciclope at Slamboree '98. Jericho basically did all of it himself as well, due to WCW not giving much of a shit about storylines outside of the nWo/WCW feud.

His WWE debut was special, but from what I remember from his book he didn't exactly ingratiate himself into the locker room, ending up in the doghouse for some time due to perceived ego issues - which I think Jericho basically admitted was true at the time. I think if he'd stuck around in WCW and come over during the Invasion angle instead, things would have gone worse for him. He definitely jumped at the right time. He was an extremely solid performer and I would say at his peak between late-1997 and 2005 as an overall character.

I wasn't really watching much WWE between 2007-2014, so difficult for me to comment on how good he was after he came back. I know his feud with HBK is considered memorable. Along with Kevin Owens he was one of the few bright spots on the three-hour slogs that was Raw during 2016 and early-2017. He had that all-timer 'festival of friendship' segment with Owens, but their WM match was very bland which was a shame. I don't think Jericho ever really recovered from that match in the WWE sphere.

When AEW launched he leant some credibility and name-value, at a time when a lot of the roster would have been relative or total unknowns to much of the American audience. I feel like the majority of the Inner Circle storyline was solid, and it was pretty much when that group disbanded that Jericho began rapidly losing relevence in AEW. The Jericho Appreciation Society was just a retread of the Inner Circle, and a bit disappointing considering Jericho had always been somebody looking to do fresh things and reinvent himself. I don't think AEW needed Inner Circle 2.0, and it was a pale shadow of the original group. Jericho has pretty much been on a downward spiral ever since in terms of fan interest.

I can see him coming back to WWE for a last run, but at this point he should be used sparingly. Give him a solid end to his career with one or two big feuds, but I don't think he's at a point where he can consistently be a major presence for much longer than a year - two at most. He's 54, so that would make him the oldest active wrestler on the roster, and it's not like he's known for keeping himself in great shape for long periods. It'd be cool for him and Owens to have a feud that puts some of the ghosts of 2017 to rest, if Jericho is physically capable.

I wonder how CM Punk would react to Jericho's arrival? From memory I think Jericho was in the anti-Punk group. Or at least, more on the side of Tony Khan and corporate.