Liberty Activist takes on Detroit TSA. Unreal!

[JeffTD]

And the thing is, even if you're not doing something you're not supposed to be doing, they have the right to detain you, search your shit, and do all that body scanning hoo-ha. Even if it doesn't affect you because your mommy raised you to be a good boy, there's still the fact that they have the right to do these things on pure suspicion. Doesn't that come across as a little fucked to you?
Just as they have the right to do all this nasty shit, we have the right and the ABILITY to question these things. How do you think society will ever advance if you just bend the fuck over and take what the Government wants to give you? Things will never get better if you do not question them and criticise them.

Naw, it comes across as something I have to put up with if I want to take advantage of the luxury of flight. People are only bitching because security used to be super, super lax - as a result, we had people fly planes into the WTC. Now shit's a little tighter, great - I'm cool if that prevents planes from being used as weapons again.

We have the right and ability, within reason. Bitching about airport security is just being a whiny little bitch - so what if I have to take my shoes off or get patted down or can't bring a bottle of cologne over 3oz or can't jack off on a plane. Am I going to blame my government? No - I'm going to blame the assholes who exploited it and ruined it for the rest of us.


And I has a pig nose, tis true.

 

[JeffTD]

Hey what the fuck I posted that picture of my free will in another thread, that is NOT valid lulz material!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JBroll]

Seriously, bottom line - if you're not doing anything you shouldn't be when flying, you have nothing at all to worry about.

The extent to which you are completely, unbelievably, mind-bogglingly wrong here is simply inexpressible with words. There are plenty of other clunkers in your posts, but your attitude is not backed up by any imaginable combination of 'a clue how effective TSA is in their current form', 'any understanding of the phrase 'innocent until proven guilty' in any form', or 'any recollection of incidents involving innocent victims of incompetent authority, dozens of which from the last *decade* have made the news after resulting in the death of a person who did nothing wrong or didn't even give reason for suspicion of wrongdoing' and you would do very well to think a little more closely about what you're saying.

Jeff

 

[Line666]

I know Jeff, and you did a good job, I honestly didn't think a Stinnett could look any cooler.

 

[TheDriller]

The extent to which you are completely, unbelievably, mind-bogglingly wrong here is simply inexpressible with words. There are plenty of other clunkers in your posts, but your attitude is not backed up by any imaginable combination of 'a clue how effective TSA is in their current form', 'any understanding of the phrase 'innocent until proven guilty' in any form', or 'any recollection of incidents involving innocent victims of incompetent authority, dozens of which from the last *decade* have made the news after resulting in the death of a person who did nothing wrong or didn't even give reason for suspicion of wrongdoing' and you would do very well to think a little more closely about what you're saying.

i want to have your babies

 

[Metaltastic]

I do have to admit, I'm dubious about the assumption that "if you're innocent, you have nothing to worry about", as verified by such things as CFH13's anecdote (which couldn't have ended better, btw ) - I too have never once been hassled by THE MAN, but I feel that as much a result of luck as good hygiene

 

[JeffTD]

The extent to which you are completely, unbelievably, mind-bogglingly wrong here is simply inexpressible with words. There are plenty of other clunkers in your posts, but your attitude is not backed up by any imaginable combination of 'a clue how effective TSA is in their current form', 'any understanding of the phrase 'innocent until proven guilty' in any form', or 'any recollection of incidents involving innocent victims of incompetent authority, dozens of which from the last *decade* have made the news after resulting in the death of a person who did nothing wrong or didn't even give reason for suspicion of wrongdoing' and you would do very well to think a little more closely about what you're saying.

Jeff

I've never heard of a domestic case where someone flying was completely fucked over and had absolutely zero faults in their actions. Maybe that kid who's name ended up on the no-fly list, but that's a fluke at best.

The TSA is more effective than whatever hodgepodge bullshit crap we had setup before 9/11. Seriously - did you fly much before 2001? You could get away with almost anything on those planes.

Innocent until proven guilty is in a court of law - airports are damn near private sector as far as I'm concerned.


Sounds to me like maybe Canadian TSA agents are apeshit compared to ours or something? I regularly go through LAX/Burbank and have been all over the country and not experienced anything even remotely sinister from them. I also take extra care to make sure I'm following guidelines and procedures, but whatever.

 

[Bekanor]

I can't tell you guys how many times I've wanted to post pictures of people that piss me off, but my maturity always tempered such things - glad I can at least reap the lulz of other people not having the same restraint

Oi fuck you Marcus!

 

[Metaltastic]

Hahahahahahaha, fuck yes "I like you Sully, you're a funny guy - that's why I'm going to kill you last"

 

[JBroll]

You need to do more reading if you haven't heard of cases where the TSA or other nations' similarly-minded 'security agencies' have grounded, harassed, and even *killed* innocent people with no grounds, or the recent incident where foreign federal officials planted forbidden items in unsuspecting civilians' property. (Also note that the TSA is a federal institution that gets to bypass any human right they dislike in the interest of this security theater.)

What's more effective than the pre-9/11 setup, as far as our safety is concerned, is the change in passengers' mindset - before then a hijacking just meant 'play nicely and worst-case scenario you'll have a quick detour to Cuba and you'll be comped for the return flights', but now (as the last big newsmaking incident showed) it's not going to work that way any more. The fact that is that a dozen people are going to be jumping on any chance they get to keep their plane flying safely if any similar stunt is pulled. The security theater that has been put on since then is complete and total bullshit, and something is very wrong when so many claim to be 'pro-security' by supporting this pointless bullshit and Bruce Schneier, a modern god of security who has written must-reads on everything from social engineering (at the layman level) to computer security implementations (at the 'great, you speak C fluently, here's what you still need to know' level), is practically unheard of outside nerd circles. If you really want to have a few new assholes torn and worn in, check out anything he's *ever* said on the matter and we'll all be better off.

Jeff

 

[Bekanor]

Hahahahahahaha, fuck yes "I like you Sully, you're a funny guy - that's why I'm going to kill you last"

That's all the input I have for this thread.

 

[iekobrid]

In the second and third videos (which I couldn't be arsed to watch) does the guy support any of the assertions he makes in the first one -- TSA agents aren't interested in security just promotions, the government isn't interested in safety just breaking our spirits, airport security would be more effective and/or less obtrusive if it were open to bids from the private sector, etc?

 

[garry666]

ok thing is this is an airport and this guy is acting suspicious, and hes doing it on purpose to see how people respond. and hes doing it right after a terrorist attempt of course people are gona be on edge. TS is not out just to look out for terrorist but also for beligerent passengers who cause trouble.

I work at the vancouver airport and while im not in security i still ask to see suspicous peoples identifaction and have had to help escort beligerent passengers off the premises, this guys just asking for trouble. Of course security is gona go talk to someone who is filming in the airport its just common sense. You can bet ur ass i walked up and asked a passenger what he was doing when i saw him walking arround with a measuiring stick taking diminsions of a secure area its just common fucking sense. of course there are assholes who take advantage of their power and fuck arround but theres always a fuck up when people are invloved.

Oh and so you know dont fuck with these guys even CSA at check in counters can call the cops and have you held for up to 24 hours for even joking about threats to the security of the airport.

 

[GarethSE]

Didn't he specifically say in the first video that he has the right to film them and such?

 

[JeffTD]

You need to do more reading if you haven't heard of cases where the TSA or other nations' similarly-minded 'security agencies' have grounded, harassed, and even *killed* innocent people with no grounds, or the recent incident where foreign federal officials planted forbidden items in unsuspecting civilians' property. (Also note that the TSA is a federal institution that gets to bypass any human right they dislike in the interest of this security theater.)

I seriously cannot find anything even remotely related to any innocent people being killed - I've just searched a bit and can't find anything like that.

The only thing that popped up was some douchebag putting a bag of white flour in a passengers luggage - how is that the TSA's fault and that one douchebag?

There was also something about an airport update killing internet connectivity in OS X, but that's neither here nor there.

 

[garry666]

^ye sure he has the the right to film but hes got no proof that hes press and hes not answering any questions(being beligerent) so some dude with no proof of who he is and who is not being coopoerative is filming security operations in a secure area. That is asking for trouble hes lucky he didnt get thrown in jail.

 

[iekobrid]

Generally speaking you can film or photograph anyone so long as they are in an area considered Public and you do not intend to use their image for commercial purposes.

But I'd like to see him sit across the street from an army base for half an hour, openly videotaping the front gate and security measures, then see if the MPs consider that perfectly normal behavior.

 

[garry666]

I seriously cannot find anything even remotely related to any innocent people being killed - I've just searched a bit and can't find anything like that.

The only thing that popped up was some douchebag putting a bag of white flour in a passengers luggage - how is that the TSA's fault and that one douchebag?

About 2 years ago at the vancouver international airport a polish man named Robert Dzchensky was killed by the rcmp.

 

[JeffTD]

What's more effective than the pre-9/11 setup, as far as our safety is concerned, is the change in passengers' mindset - before then a hijacking just meant 'play nicely and worst-case scenario you'll have a quick detour to Cuba and you'll be comped for the return flights', but now (as the last big newsmaking incident showed) it's not going to work that way any more. The fact that is that a dozen people are going to be jumping on any chance they get to keep their plane flying safely if any similar stunt is pulled. The security theater that has been put on since then is complete and total bullshit, and something is very wrong when so many claim to be 'pro-security' by supporting this pointless bullshit and Bruce Schneier, a modern god of security who has written must-reads on everything from social engineering (at the layman level) to computer security implementations (at the 'great, you speak C fluently, here's what you still need to know' level), is practically unheard of outside nerd circles. If you really want to have a few new assholes torn and worn in, check out anything he's *ever* said on the matter and we'll all be better off.

Jeff

I'll agree that our mindsets have changed greatly and that's a large part of it, but I'm not going to say that that's 100% the cause for our increased safety on planes, and not the measures taken by the TSA.

Saying something is 'bullshit' and citing some dude who wrote a ton of shit is great and all, but it does absolutely nothing to dispute the effectiveness of the TSA.

Even if they're not preventing as much as they say they are, I fail to see the harm in preventing passengers from bringing certain items on board, aside from the inconvenience for not having your toenail clippers or shampoo in your carry-on. Personally, I feel safer knowing that people don't have box cutters and anthrax and all kinds of other shit on my plane.

 

[garry666]

Once you are through security its no longer a public area, even if your sitting outside the airport taking pictures of planes taking off security will come and talk to you, i would be dissapointed if they didnt.