LotR: The Two Towers <---- I am seeing this movie! Post here

i totally loved this movie. i dont get all picky about the details. the changes didnt bother me. i had similar emotional reactions to the movie as i did to the book. i though they got the themes right. and it looked great. and i love new zealand.
 
Okay, I saw it today and although I liked it almost as much as I liked the first one, some twists really made me feel angry at Peter Jackson. As Tranquillian already covered most of them, I'm gonna quote his post here:

Originally posted by Tranquillian
*Frodo and Sam in Osgiliath
This doesn't make sense because Sauron will know where the ring is. He would then use all his might and troops to reclaim the ring. The reason for fighting the battle outside the black gates in ROTK was to buy Sam and Frodo some time and make Saurons eye look anywhere but on his own lands. The reason Aragorn looks in the palantir is also to confuse Sauron so that he loses his focus on where the ring might be. Basically: the idea of Frodo and Sam taking the ring to Mordor on their own is that the only chance of destroying the ring is by using stealth to get into Mordor. When Frodo shows the ring to the Nazgul in Osgiliath he does the worst thing possible: tells Sauron where the ring is.

Agreed, it was unnecessary. Still, the "explanation" for the ring-showing might be: It was so obvious, that perhaps Sauron and the Nazgul think it was just a fake, some lesser ring (of power, of course, otherwise the Nazgul wouldn't have noticed it at all) used as a ruse to draw his attention from where the real One Ring might be. I know, a bad explanation, but otherwise the Nazgul would really haunt the area around Osgiliath and would not let anyone with a ring go anywhere - and the story would end pretty soon.

*Aragorn's faked death
The whole warg scene is redundant and badly done. Peter Jackson seems to like to fake death's of persons in this movie. I also disliked the special effects on the wargs.

Yes, unnecessary, boring and stupid. One of the biggest mistakes in the film.

*Gimli
In the movie nearly every line Gimli says is a joke. Sure, he had some good lines in the books, but why use him just as comic relief, and worst of all, in the heat of battle.

I had no problems with Gimli's speech, not even during the battle (he was rather lighthearted during the battle in the book as well). The thing that annoyed the hell out of me in the battle, was how superior our main characters were: the idea of tossing a dwarf in the middle of an orc-horde to disrupt the battering of a gate is idiotic.

*Theoden possessed?
I don't like how the exorcism was portrayed in the film, but I suppose there was no better way to do it. I think I will grow to like this scene.

I liked it; nothing too annoying here.

*Faramir evil?
Faramir isn't like he was in the books. He comes across as even more "evil" than Boromir even if the ring doesn't have a grip on him. There is simply no reason for changing the story so that he sends the hobbits to Osgiliath. It would have been better to let them go like in the book (thus also removing the Nazgul encounter).

Like Ormir, I don't mind having Faramir as a bit more grim character, but I agree the whole Osgiliath-scene was unnecessary.

*Ent's decision
The ent's decide NOT to attack Isengard at first? There is simply no good reason to change this part of the story. You could easily have stuck to the original story and not made the film longer or more complicated.

Unreasonable, yes. However, this was such a small thing that it didn't bother me at all. The Ents were done very interestingly and I expect to see more of them in the extended edition.

*Theoden
Theoden is portrayed more like a stubborn coward than he was in the books.

Umm, I didn't notice. I liked him quite a lot.

*Elrond
Why is Elrond so whiny and why does he oppose Aragorn and Arwens decision to stay with him? Why create this extra and unecessary drama?

Right, why!? This might have something to do with my imminent hatred for Arwen, but I think they really managed to ruin the character of Elrond in a few seconds here. He is only a half-elf himself, for f*ck's sake!

*Elves at helm's deep
Totally unnecessary imho. I even laughed when Haldir died. And why did they say there where only 300 men at Helm's deep in the movie when there where far more in the book. And why did only 8 people ride out of the Hornburg? And why didn't the huorns slaughter the remaining orcs?
And where where the wild men that should have been in the battle? And why have an orc running with the olympic torch causing me to laugh?

Yep, the elf-thing was something really stupid - suddenly the whole atmosphere of "we are here alone and none will help us" disappeared, even though it should have stayed there until Gandalf an Eomer came. The mention of the 300 men could have meant just the real warriors, discounting those who would not have been armed during peace-time.

I think that covers up all the biggest "errors" I disliked in the movie. I liked many things a lot: the fell beasts the Nazgul were riding were great, the rohirrim were portrayed well, the opening scene with Gandalf fighting the Balrog wasn't even nearly as bad as I had expected, Gollum was great, the black gate was excellent and the fact that there were men marching (and not just orcs) was good. And this time I enjoyed the music much more.

-Villain
 
Originally posted by Tranquillian
And why have an orc running with the olympic torch causing me to laugh?
Indirect advertising of the Olympic games maybe? :p I laughed hard here too. :lol:


@FV: The Two Towers :p



Siren (toss me!)
 
Originally posted by Villain
Agreed, it was unnecessary. Still, the "explanation" for the ring-showing might be: It was so obvious, that perhaps Sauron and the Nazgul think it was just a fake, some lesser ring (of power, of course, otherwise the Nazgul wouldn't have noticed it at all) used as a ruse to draw his attention from where the real One Ring might be. I know, a bad explanation, but otherwise the Nazgul would really haunt the area around Osgiliath and would not let anyone with a ring go anywhere - and the story would end pretty soon.
Hmmm... I think Tolkien himself showed some inconsistency here. The Wraiths are supposed to be drawn to the ring, right? This is eluded by the fact that wherever the Fellowship was, the Nazgul were never far behind. Despite the strong attraction they have to it, the Nazgul seem completely inept at finding the ring at close distances. For example when the Hobbits are on their way to the Bree, the Nazgul are a few paces away from the Ring, and smell for it, but don't realise the Ring is in their grasp, and are then distracted by the elves.

In any case, the Hobbits were sidetracked to Osgiliath by Faramir's party on their way to Gondor. This probably means Osgiliath is on the way to Minas Tirith, and certainly not Mordor. As Sauron assumed the ring was travelling to Minas Tirith in the book, he wouldn't think any differently if the ring had been spotted in Osgiliath by one of his henchemen. It certainly eludes more that the ring is indeed travelling to Gondor, rather than Mordor. Sauron's greatest mistake was the belief that men would merely choose another Dark Lord when they got the ring; the possibility that they would actually destroy it never crossed his mind.
 
Originally posted by Villain
the idea of tossing a dwarf in the middle of an orc-horde to disrupt the battering of a gate is idiotic.

ewww, that's just gross :yuk:
i'm not sure i want to watch this movie since it's apparent they're being cruel to dwarves all the time. :erk:

rahvin.
 
Originally posted by Ormir
In any case, the Hobbits were sidetracked to Osgiliath by Faramir's party on their way to Gondor. This probably means Osgiliath is on the way to Minas Tirith, and certainly not Mordor.

Osgiliath is right there between Minas Tirith and Minas Morgul, so the Ring could easily go either way from there. But you do have a point, perhaps Sauron just never thought they would head eastwards and not westwards from there.

Storken: Åland (Ahvenanmaa) is easily the most expensive place in Finland. I will never voluntarily go there anymore - unless DT are playing there, that is.

-Villain
 
Haven't seen LoTR: The Two Towers yet. My friend and I attempted to go see it, but the theatre was full. At 12:00 PM on a Friday. We decided not to, as most of the shows were sold out or had barely any seats. Too many people. Also, not very good seats. :/

I'll not read this thread so I won't get any hints about the movie. *meep*
 
phew... i'm off to see the movie in about an hour. last show at 11 o' clock, and i got a brilliant seat. i'm already impatient like hell
 
Lucky ones!! I have to wait until next year...
I promised to visit the movie with a friend and she left the day it started in the german cinemas - she's from Turkey and went home for the "holidays"...
 
Originally posted by opacity
one scene is ridiculous even to me: when Legolas jumped on this shield-thing and glided downstairs like on a skate-board.... :s :rolleyes:
But whyyyyyy? I mean...can't you see?!? We finally found out who is the father of skateboard and surfing! :rolleyes: :p


Siren (silly)
 
well, now for the movie... urngh
the first part was quite brilliant, but this second part was quite a bit fucked up. didn't keep with the book at all, made a laughable fool out of gollum (... the majority of the audience thought he was laughable when talking to himself), shrouded the battle of helm's deep in mystery, as well as the battle of osigillath (sp?)... there was no explanation why a few horsemen could suddenly destroy a few thousand orcs, nor was there a reason given why frodo and sam could wander around the destroyed city whining and crying while the nazgul were still above them.
although i see that not every single fact of the book can't be merged into the movie, this time it was done rather poor. special effects alone don't do the job. and all the fuss about aragorn having died suddenly... bullshit. it was never in the book and was just a laughable reinvention of gandalf's disappearance.
hope the last part keeps closer to the book and, if he doesn't, at least keeps the story still in line.
 
Is it just me, or did they show Aragorn's horse dead in the battlefield, and then saving Aragorn and running away with him all healthy and strong? :confused:
 
Most movies use just a few horses "cloning" them with a PC and using them when needed - maybe you know the Shakira video (how was it called?) with the horses - it was always the same one.
So it could be Aragorn's horse not beeing Aragorn's horse ;)