lsd

"IMO" i think this thread has gotten out of hand..this forum is about music and Symphony X..
Whatever stupid things, that people experiment in is their own business, and i have no idea how old Flechdrop is (im thinking only a teenager himself)..but this forum is frequented by adolescants as young as 13..and telling them that you had a really good drug trip..is pretty sick to me.
 
My two cents: Drugs,alcohol,and smoking are pointless. There is no need for them. It doesnt make you cool.I hate listening to kids my age talking about their favorite beers and how hardcore they are because they got "wasted",etc. I absolutely abhor any drinking, smoking, etc. Its such a turnoff. Nothing will make me think "Yuck" like the smell of smoke and beer and drugs.:Puke:


In other words: Drugs are bad,mmkay.
 
@ silent, don't worrey about me. I won't get "influenced by a bigger kid" or anything, seriously. I'm not a over-protected little spiolt brat or anything who listens to anyone that saysthe drug trip was really cool. I just want to know how FLechdrop will be in a few years if he gets adicted to them (which I hope doesn't happen. I'm pretty aware of the affects that happen and the ammont of people using them. Some of my dads friends USED to take drugs and they've told me some pretty scarey things. But this isn't a "shock taktic" to scare me (like the "Future Selves" on South Park lol) I don't beleive anyones ol' joe blogs philosophies about drugs on this forum but people I trust. So don't worrey about what inflics me on the forum ('coz it doesn't).

Just go to the COB board and see whats their (!!)
 
Shit no you shouldn't.

Drugs are shit. I myself won't touch any of them...hell, I won't even smoke cigarettes! My friends smoke weed occassionally...I'm just like "whatever, guys, I'll be inside".

Bottom line: Don't take ANY drugs because it'll make you cool, or because you'll get a "different experience". Yeah, the experience sure is different, but there's always side effects...

I read this thing in The Onion once that was hysterical...yet it got me thinking about what drugs do to people. I'm actually going to type it out to show all of you...

Headline: CIA Unveils New Ghetto Drugs For '98

(I'm only showing one of the four drugs listed)

3. Zom-B
Type: Narcotic
Method: Injected
Effects: Stuporous mental coma, yet motor functions are involuntarily stimulated. Possible side effects may include walking off bridges or into oncoming trains.
Duration: Fifteen to twenty hours

So there you have it. While obviously not a real drug, Zom-B has effects that are similar to real narcotics. Like the one guy said a few posts back about the guy who tried to go up a down staircase.

I recommend staying clean.
 
SilentRealm said:
"IMO" i think this thread has gotten out of hand..this forum is about music and Symphony X..
Whatever stupid things, that people experiment in is their own business, and i have no idea how old Flechdrop is (im thinking only a teenager himself)..but this forum is frequented by adolescants as young as 13..and telling them that you had a really good drug trip..is pretty sick to me.

I agree, but I can only hope that our comments and insight may have deterred someone from trying drugs when they cared enough to ask in the first place. Regarding psilocybin...if you ingest fungus of any kind, your body may react the next time due to an extreme allergy reaction, which may lead to coma and death. Simple fact, and I've seen it happen. It rarely happens the "first time".
 
Harp Heaven said:
I beg to differ. The fact remains that certain drugs allow you to achieve states of mind impossible to reach without the help of intoxicants. Have you experienced the incredible euphoria that heroine creates, the fantastic visions of LSD, or the separation of mind and body you get when you reach the fourth plateau of dextrometorphan? I haven`t either, but reading the experiences of users of psychoactives gave me an insight into what it`s like USING drugs, not being ADDICTED to them. While I`m not confident enough to experiment with them myself, I can imagine that psychoactives, especially hallucinogens, give experiences you cannot get elsewhere. Don`t be so quick to dismiss drugs and their users- Not every drug-user is a filthy junkie robbing old ladies for his next shot

You just love disagreeing with me, don't you?

SilentRealm said:
"IMO" i think this thread has gotten out of hand..this forum is about music and Symphony X..
Whatever stupid things, that people experiment in is their own business, and i have no idea how old Flechdrop is (im thinking only a teenager himself)..but this forum is frequented by adolescants as young as 13..and telling them that you had a really good drug trip..is pretty sick to me.

That was very well put. It's very sad to hear people say such things. My question is, why? Isn't life amazing enough without the "fantastic visions", "separations of mind and body" and "evil radiating computer screens"?
 
here is some direct info from an LSD user. me.
i hope nobody gets mad and bins this topic because it actually says something about acid besides "don't do it".

my philosophy on drugs is a lot different than most of you. i am not going to go into why i think that it can be good for some people to try drugs. it alters your consciousness and you become aware of more possibilities, generally it can open your mind. most people do drugs for the euphoria but this awareness is a positive side effect. and of course too much drugs is a TERRIBLE thing! that is my opinion and i don't need to explain it or debate it with anybody.

by the way this really isn't the place to be asking! but since i saw the topic i will respond. but in no way hold me accountable. follow your own common sense these are just some suggestions and warnings. i don't know you or if you are right for LSD. i can only tell you what i have experienced.

in my experience LSD is not a recreational drug. it is more something that will take your thoughts to another level. they are not delusions, but in fact ultimate and shocking truth. i don't have to recall the lessons about life i learned from tripping...they are already a part of me and manifested in my daily personality. there is no way to achieve this without LSD except daily and persistent meditation i would imagine. but for the ordinary person, a lot can be learned in a short time
the hallucinations and euphoria are fun, but the strong effect on your mind makes it so you won't want to trip again any time soon.

anyway when you think LSD try not to think of the druggies that do it. try to think of the shamans and indians who used ethnogens (similar substances) in their rituals for centuries. for some it was even a part of the passage into manhood. hallucinogens are a tool for seeing, not something you do for fun. and if you do it for fun, and you're not ready to see something, it can get messy.

RUMOURS
-it is true that some people have fried thier brains on acid, and been changed for life. i can't possibly concieve of how, but it has happened
-LSD does NOT remain in your system for life..the DEA created that as a lie at one convention. it does not collect in your spine- the reason a spinal tap detects it is that doing it once makes a change in some chemical in the spine

-for a good trip you must take several precautions

first and foremost is with the supplier. only trust a freind. make sure they have tried the acid they are selling you. ask them how potent it is, tell them it is your first time, and ask how much to take. follow these steps and you should be able to score some SAFE acid

second is the setting: to trip well and feel good, you must surround yourself with something positive. you must not be restricted in any way either. generally anticipate that you may want to take a walk, because the hallucinations are especially beautiful and inspire more thought, when you are outside in nature. so scope out a safe place you can walk around without encountering many people, or hurting yourself. being closed indoors has caused many uncomfortable bad trips. only do it on a day when you feel at peace to begin with. you and your tripping partners should not have any concerns. if one of you feels unwell or upset, postpone the trip it can wait till another day. you should have no obligations...if you are getting phone calls, need to give somebody something..have to clean your room, drop something off, anything like that while you are tripping you will get pretty overwhelmed at the task, be unable to complete it, and worry about it the rest of the trip.
do it with a small group of people only..who you are very close to. i did it with one other person also tripping. but a sober sitter is definitely a good idea...so long as they aren't a worrying mother type of personality. they should be patient, open minded, not telling you "do this and that" or "OMG what the fuck are you doing?". they should be ready for some philosophical conversation
don't worry too much if it takes a long time to kick in. if its been more than four hours then you can take a little bit more to increase your dose.

effects of lsd which you can anticipate
LSD is not a recreational drug. the hallucinations and intense euphoria are definitely something you can enjoy, but the very strong effect of LSD on your mind means it is not something you should do more than once in a very long while. after you have tripped you won't want to do it any time soon
usually your nerves' dendrites (branchlike structures) only send the impulse along one direction. LSD activates the dendrites so that any thought will be sent along ALL of the nerve branches. the effect of this is that one simple though or sensory input will trigger a billion thoughts all at once. every possible thought and impulse that can be triggered by "green" will all pass through your mind in an instant the moment you recieve "green". when you consider something, you will immediately have considered all the possibilities and aspects and perspectives of it. this includes yourself. touching stuff..like a nice granular stone wall, or the bark of a tree, or the grass can put many amazing impulses through you and you will be overwhelmed by it... i felt the utter essence of earth and what she consists of. i felt very at one with all nature surrounding me. seeing strangers was unpleasant so we avoided them at all costs.
because of this effect on the dendrites...LSD breaks down your ego and removes any psychological defenses. seeing yourself in this new, "naked" way can be frightening at first. it was for me. but take it aas a positive experience instead. as soon as i got over my fear i immediately saw that "THIS is the way i neeeeed to live my life" (not tripping. THIS referred to more love, less caught up in my own plans, etcc. it goes beyond words). i just became aware of what it was my self wanted to do in order to make the most of my life. i also became aware of some things i was doing that i shouldn't be. every time i take mushrooms it is equally enlightening i just see what it is at that point that i really want to be doing with my life and my self. it is not deluded in any way, in fact it is very clear and obvious to me when i am tripping.
i think it is becccccaue you think MUCH faster, and without inhibitions, and consider more possibilities.
hallucinations are cool but they are just that...they do make me feel nice but the more positive effects of tripping are on your ego self. just don't freak out when you run into you...take it as the best possible thing you ccould learn on your trip, as well as the most dangerous instant.
hallucinations are usually things like the wall looking "liquid", the patterns on the rug swirling in and out of each other, patterns superimposed on stuff, as well as the sight of certain things (trees in my case) fills your mind with really wierd visions.

heavy metal and LSD i haven't tripped enough times to listen to a lot of music while tripping.
in fact i only listened to NEVERMORE- THe politics of ecstacy. the album art was fucking amazing and the songs were pretty cool too. they sounded the same as they always do, but the combination of lyrics and what i saw had a very cool effect on me.

flashbacks
i have done LSD twice and mushrooms maybe 8 times. i have not noticed any serious flashbacks from those specifically. jsut a slight trembling of the walls when i'm very tired or stoned, that kind of thing
but something i did recently HAS given me a permanent flashback.
i smoked a TON of weed daily...potent stuff too. after a break i noticed that i could smoke a big joint and see cool patterns on the wall. very small, dots and stuff. well i started smoking to that point always. now i am on break for marijuana but it seems my eyes have "learned" this way of seeing. over every surface i see billions of tiny little dots that are just differently shaded. people and objects look ok but anything with flat colors just doesn't look perfectly continuous any more...its almost like tiny sunspots or the snow on tv when its turned to no station. it doesn't bother me that much but now i am on break until i feel normal, just excercising and eating healthy, trying to clean my system up.

so i think flashbacks aren't a chemical thing but a cognitive thing...and even weed can do it


well, that is all i have to say
but ask anything else if you want

www.erowid.com is a good resource, especially the experience vaults
 
by the way PLEASE don't bin this topic because it took ages for me to type that up and think about it and retype

and if you insist...then at least give me a chance to copy that and PM it to the concerned user.
 
Well I apreciate you giving the information, but I know of one certain case of someone who dropped acid and didn't come back out of it. Tawl Ross, the original rhytm guitar player for Funkadelic dropped acid, went into a trip and just stayed there. He walked the street up and down like a zombie and only after 10 years did he slowly recovered from it.

Oh, another example. Peter Green of Fleetwood Mac. Brilliant guitarist. Well he was up to that point.

Syd Barret of Pink Floyd. Need I go on?

It's a free choice, off cause, but I'd be very careful recommending it.
 
yeah i heard about peter green

i definitely believe in the phenomenon. if you read carefully my poost you will see that i verify that people have been "fried" permanently...just that i have no clue how or why it happened.
i don't have any idea what aspect of a trip can do this to somebody is all i was trying to say. if i had a clue i might have tried to say something or warn against it

and i do not recommend LSD to anybody. the user was already interested, i was just stating my experience of LSD. I DON"T RECOMMEND DROPPING ACID TO ANYBODY
 
Very well put Accolade, drugs are crazy. I am a mushroom user and have done it plenty of times, it seems like its a new experience everytime. The most important thing is to not abuse it. Drugs can fuck u up in the long run but 1 trip of lsd or mushrooms can make ya look at life different, shrooms have influenced me into doing new things everytime im on them. Sometimes i get motivated to changed my life around, it seems like its always different. Ive had some bad trips before and its becuase of the environment around me, its very easy to lose yourself and on shrooms once sumtin you think of that is pestimistic things can get worse n worse, but also it can be the very opposite too. other then bad trips i have had the best and most insane experiences from shrooms. on shrooms ive been in such eurphoria and such a different world that if i hear a sound, the sound will repeat and repeat 10 times and other sounds will come up and repeat themselves as well and together all these sounds that keeps comin up form into a little musical with eachother and comes out to be the craziest music ive hever heard, when there really is no music at all, but nothin compared to the visuals. I know this relly isnt the thing to be talkin about on a symphony x forum but since we are on topic and prolyl will be never here again i just wanted to post this, but whats important in takin these drugs is to not over due it, make sure your in the right environment and pretty much what was said above. The main thing is to just be smart about it and to stay in control n jus be responsilbe about what u do. It is different for everyone but in my opionion i jus stick with weed now and stay away from other drugs that can screw the future up, cus weed wont do that to ya as long as ua are responsible. Have fun
 
To the moderator: Do not close this thread! Just because someone is talking about drugs in a way other than "they`re bad and don`t do them, period" doesn`t mean the discussion is a fruitful one. I would rather that people get real information from users than scary rhetoric based off myths and legends.
 
The_Accolade said:
yeah i heard about peter green

i definitely believe in the phenomenon. if you read carefully my poost you will see that i verify that people have been "fried" permanently...just that i have no clue how or why it happened.
i don't have any idea what aspect of a trip can do this to somebody is all i was trying to say. if i had a clue i might have tried to say something or warn against it

and i do not recommend LSD to anybody. the user was already interested, i was just stating my experience of LSD. I DON"T RECOMMEND DROPPING ACID TO ANYBODY

it's cool man, I appreciate the openess of your post. I think it has something to do (the 'frying' that is) with not being a (mentally) ballanced person to start with. Drugs induce and amplify your state of mind, I understand, so if you're already a bit paranoid or manic or whatever, I believe the drugs will bring that out. Not everybody is going to react in a mellow mood to dragons flying across your room or horses drooling over you.

There are people, btw, that suffer from a syndrome that makes them see these hallucinations WITHOUT the use of drugs, funny enough. It's supposed to be a brain affliction that accurs mostly with older people. I heard accounts of people telliing about seeing a couple having sex above their heads all day....with all the liquids to boot...man, that would distract ya! :loco:
 
T.G.I.S said:
Very well put Accolade, drugs are crazy. I am a mushroom user and have done it plenty of times, it seems like its a new experience everytime. The most important thing is to not abuse it.

My only reaction to Mushrooms has always been histyrical bouts of laughter, which is nice to have once in a while, but when you have ém for three hours straight you're gonna wake up sore! :tickled: :ill: (Ionce attempted to steal a golf cart at night on a golfcourt, but it wouldn't start...so we just rolled around the grass for a while) Yeah, I'm crazy. So what? :loco:
 
lol cyclopssss!! yeah the laughing is the best...
i never had anything like that "echoing" experience..that sounds cool. i guess it affects everyone differently. my strongest experience was body tripping at the gorillaz concert...and reacting beautifully to every single instant of music and cartoons and lights.

T.G.I.S. i agree completely with everything you said
"Sometimes i get motivated to changed my life around"
that is something i was trying to say but i couldn't find a good way to express it...a lot of times when i trip i do get very motivated to make something more of my life
 
I dunno, i think it was very enlightening. I mean, i personally got more out of the posts from the users than the people saying "don't do it" because the users have been there and the rest have just been like "well, i haven't so you shouldn't". I know that's not exactly accurate, but you know... anyway, that said, it does sound fun (always has sounded fun to me) but i don't think i would just because there is too much that could go wrong... especially with me.