heh, no i mean bangle, uhh yea, its super rare or something... i wouldnt expect you guys to know about it.James Murphy said:
mac users: tiger or no?
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Brooks said:Well, what are they gonna do next? Manx? Tabby? They've used up all the cool ones
Pantera....I guess they sort of already done that....how about White Lion?
Brooks
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Thats just how it is...
NK
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Ken,
The initial version of Tiger did indeed break a number of things that worked very well under Panther. I think you and I may have discussed that in Texas. However, soon after the initial rollout Tiger-compatible versions of both Logic and PT were released and they all play nicely together now. I'm running 10.4.2 on 3 different Macs now and using PT on one and Logic on the other two (including on a new Powerbook I just got) with no issues at all. Just get lots of RAM though, as Tiger seems to need more to run as smoothly as Panther was. The bonus is that Tiger definitely runs quite a bit faster than Panther though. I'm also running the latest iteration of 10.4.3 on my other (developer) Mac and that seems to be even faster still.
Hope this helps
Neil K.
The initial version of Tiger did indeed break a number of things that worked very well under Panther. I think you and I may have discussed that in Texas. However, soon after the initial rollout Tiger-compatible versions of both Logic and PT were released and they all play nicely together now. I'm running 10.4.2 on 3 different Macs now and using PT on one and Logic on the other two (including on a new Powerbook I just got) with no issues at all. Just get lots of RAM though, as Tiger seems to need more to run as smoothly as Panther was. The bonus is that Tiger definitely runs quite a bit faster than Panther though. I'm also running the latest iteration of 10.4.3 on my other (developer) Mac and that seems to be even faster still.
Hope this helps
Neil K.
yea thanks neil. i think we did discuss that actually, thats why i wasnt sure what was up. cool yea im sure 3 gigs will be enough ram wich is what i got. you lucky duck with your developer mac. i bet that intel version was fast. right on well thanks dude!NK said:
NK
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I don't have one of the MacIntel G5s - I really wasn't prepared to have to pony up a grand (and it's only a rental anyway) just to see how things look. Besides, there aren't really any apps available yet. I use a spare single processor G4 as my test box. It's got a couple of gigs of RAM in it which is what I have in each of my 3 music computers, so I can very easily replicate my typical working environment and test out the new updates for stability, that's all. Most of the time I use this as a Retrospect backup server
Also, I won't use anything MOTU - you'll have to talk to James about that stuff..hehe
Neil K.
Also, I won't use anything MOTU - you'll have to talk to James about that stuff..hehe
Neil K.
NK said:I don't have one of the MacIntel G5s - I really wasn't prepared to have to pony up a grand (and it's only a rental anyway) just to see how things look. Besides, there aren't really any apps available yet. I use a spare single processor G4 as my test box. It's got a couple of gigs of RAM in it which is what I have in each of my 3 music computers, so I can very easily replicate my typical working environment and test out the new updates for stability, that's all. Most of the time I use this as a Retrospect backup server
Also, I won't use anything MOTU - you'll have to talk to James about that stuff..hehe
Neil K.
heh, oh i have. so you dont like the motu products eh?
yeah.. if i didn't have to spend a grand or less on an interface, i wouldn't. i'd get all Apogee converters and a Big Ben, or maybe the Lucid stuff, but up until my new business venture (new Pro Tools HD Accel, SSL studio in Orlando), i was in the world of having to 100% fund my own gear... and for the money, the MOTU interfaces kick the shit ouf of their nearest competition. also... i really fail to understand how anyone that is used to PT would ever like Logic better than DP as an alternative platform, or writing tool.... DP is the most like PT of any other package out there... but with waaay better composing and midi capability. oh well... too each his own, eh?NK said:I won't use anything MOTU - you'll have to talk to James about that stuff..hehe
Neil K.
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they so need to make DP for pc, i freaking hated pro tools when i tried it out, for those two reasons you mentioned... the midi is the suck.
NK
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James Murphy said:yeah.. if i didn't have to spend a grand or less on an interface, i wouldn't. i'd get all Apogee converters and a Big Ben, or maybe the Lucid stuff, but up until my new business venture (new Pro Tools HD Accel, SSL studio in Orlando), i was in the world of having to 100% fund my own gear... and for the money, the MOTU interfaces kick the shit ouf of their nearest competition. also... i really fail to understand how anyone that is used to PT would ever like Logic better than DP as an alternative platform, or writing tool.... DP is the most like PT of any other package out there... but with waaay better composing and midi capability. oh well... too each his own, eh?
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My situation isn't that I prefer Logic to DP... it's an entirely different quandary. I started using Opcode apps back in the mid to late 80s (when my app of choice was definitely Midimac). I invested a lot of money in the Opcode hardware AND software combo which definitely ended up being the wisest choice for me, particularly as pretty much all the other software/hardware combos all had the same awful shortcoming, which was their inherent inability to sync to an external clock source. Every single programme, whether it be DP, Cubase, Logic, Cakebollocks etc. worked fine as long as *its* clock was the master. The wrinkles started to appear as soon as I needed to sync any of the above apps to tape or even to Pro Tools. In '99 did an album in Italy at a very well-known studio where they used Logic almost exclusively, and at the beginning of that project was assured that Logic had absolutely no issues syncing to external clock. About halfway through, as I introduced smpte into the situation, Logic started to sputter and misbehave. At that point I asked the same question I had asked several weeks prior - "Will Logic chase to external clock? ". After lots of panic and people running around on fire I was then met with the response "Of course, Logic does not sync well to an external clock". This had been my experience up to that point anyway, so it wasn't really much of a surprise. Fortunately, I was only using Logic for midi stuff, so when I exported the midi files and opened them in Studio Vision Pro or Vision DSP everything was golden. That worked seamlessly until Opcode went belly up (somewhere around 1998/99) and at that time I had to start basing all my digital/midi chasing/work around Digi USD interfaces, which fortunately allowed me all the same tolerances. DP, Cubastard and Logic were all very much on the iffy side,with DP being the best of the three apps as far as chasing accuracy was concerned.
Logic 7.1 STILL sucks when it comes to syncing to an external source. It just can't do it. I spent an entire day trying in vain to get it to sync to Pro Tools just a couple of weeks back, but ended up using Logic as the master clock and having PT chase. That worked fine but what an absolute pain it was. You'd think someone would have fixed that issue by now wouldn't you? Well they still haven't.
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Andy Sneap
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Neil, thought you had an HD rig, what you bothering with Logic for?? I still can't get into logic, I have 7.1 and its just so backwards after being use to Pro Tools
NK
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Andy Sneap said:
Yo Andy. Yes I do have an HD rig, but I use Logic for the writing and midi stuff - I love the softsynths in it. Pro Tools is definitely what I use for my audio work though. Looking forward to PT 7 as well.
Neil K.
hey.. i'm an old Opcode Studio Vision Pro user as well... in fact i still have my old rig (which i used back in 98 or 99 to assist Andy in doing the kick drum replacement for Testament's The Gathering CD) in the next room... an old PowerMac 9600 with an AudioMedia III card.. lol... Vision still runs fine on it.NK said:My situation isn't that I prefer Logic to DP... it's an entirely different quandary. I started using Opcode apps back in the mid to late 80s (when my app of choice was definitely Midimac). I invested a lot of money in the Opcode hardware AND software combo which definitely ended up being the wisest choice for me, particularly as pretty much all the other software/hardware combos all had the same awful shortcoming, which was their inherent inability to sync to an external clock source. Every single programme, whether it be DP, Cubase, Logic, Cakebollocks etc. worked fine as long as *its* clock was the master. The wrinkles started to appear as soon as I needed to sync any of the above apps to tape or even to Pro Tools. In '99 did an album in Italy at a very well-known studio where they used Logic almost exclusively, and at the beginning of that project was assured that Logic had absolutely no issues syncing to external clock. About halfway through, as I introduced smpte into the situation, Logic started to sputter and misbehave. At that point I asked the same question I had asked several weeks prior - "Will Logic chase to external clock? ". After lots of panic and people running around on fire I was then met with the response "Of course, Logic does not sync well to an external clock". This had been my experience up to that point anyway, so it wasn't really much of a surprise. Fortunately, I was only using Logic for midi stuff, so when I exported the midi files and opened them in Studio Vision Pro or Vision DSP everything was golden. That worked seamlessly until Opcode went belly up (somewhere around 1998/99) and at that time I had to start basing all my digital/midi chasing/work around Digi USD interfaces, which fortunately allowed me all the same tolerances. DP, Cubastard and Logic were all very much on the iffy side,with DP being the best of the three apps as far as chasing accuracy was concerned.
Logic 7.1 STILL sucks when it comes to syncing to an external source. It just can't do it. I spent an entire day trying in vain to get it to sync to Pro Tools just a couple of weeks back, but ended up using Logic as the master clock and having PT chase. That worked fine but what an absolute pain it was. You'd think someone would have fixed that issue by now wouldn't you? Well they still haven't.
Neil K.
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NK said:Logic 7.1 STILL sucks when it comes to syncing to an external source. It just can't do it. I spent an entire day trying in vain to get it to sync to Pro Tools just a couple of weeks back, but ended up using Logic as the master clock and having PT chase. That worked fine but what an absolute pain it was. You'd think someone would have fixed that issue by now wouldn't you? Well they still haven't.
Neil K.
Oh my god, I go sunday in a studio were we must sync Logic 7.1 (all guitars, vocals & FX) with the super old "Triple Dat" (drums) from Creamware. Triple Dat is master, Logic slave. Hope that there is no big trouble
NK
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Forbiddenevil said:Oh my god, I go sunday in a studio were we must sync Logic 7.1 (all guitars, vocals & FX) with the super old "Triple Dat" (drums) from Creamware. Triple Dat is master, Logic slave. Hope that there is no big trouble
I certainly wish you the best of luck. If you do manage to get it synced, PLEASE post here how you did it. That would be much appreciated.
Neil K.
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NK said:
Thank you Neil, I will post it here.
By the way, we recorded the drums on the Triple Dat system. Then we sync our two computers and recorded the drum stereo file in Logic. But before Logic recorded it we must put the smpte time back to 1 1 1 1. After that Logic runs with Triple Dat as master.
I hope really that there are no problems!!!
Alex
NK said:
yea i use logic 7.1 for writing only and i just love those soft synths for some reason. im just used to them now. the problem is audio, i dont like recording audio much with it.
