Marshall help

[deadly_sinn]

right so i have never done anything to do with metal, and have to mix my first 10 tracks!..so far i have the drums almost down, but am having issues with the guitar recording and getting the right destortion from the band. i have been listening to quite a bit of reference metal, like all shall perish and such, but i am lacking the clarity. one guitar is recording through a marshall MG 100 dfx 100watt playing through a 4 speaker cab..now the question is what settings to i use, since he is using the amp destortion..any ideas on gain and all of that good stuff...this is just so i have a good starting point..im going to play with micing and such...
any help would be helpfull!!

 

[2dark]

the problem starts right here:

marshall MG 100 dfx 100watt

why not record the DI guitar tracks and send them to someone who has the right amps/speakers for it?

 

[deadly_sinn]

why not record the DI guitar tracks and send them to someone who has the right amps/speakers for it?

whats wrong with it? i mean it is a pretty powerfull amp and the cab is sweet. im just struggling to get the sound right

 

[~BURNY~]

whats wrong with it? ...im just struggling to get the sound right

 

[Jaymz]

the problem starts right here:

Thats a fucking classic! HAHAHAHAHAHAA!

 

[AudioPhile777]

The problem is the head, and most likely the cab too... either have them get another amp (rent/borrow) or record their tracks via DI and have someone here reamp them...

Those are pretty much your only options for great tone at this point... unless you want to do some sort of amp sim deal...

 

[punkrockacademyfightsong]

yep, it's pretty much been said. The MG isn't worth the marshall label on it. I once recorded a band who played an MG stack. I gave it a try but there was absolutely NO definition, no attack, no balls, actually nothing but a shitload of fizz. we ended up borrowing a mesa mark III combo wich sounded a LOT better.
I'd say: borrow or rent a decent tube amp, otherwise record DI tracks and reamp them or get them reamped.
good luck!

 

[Jaymz]

MG = Stick your low pass at 500hz

 

[smy1]

right so i have never done anything to do with metal

I actually think the problem starts right here ...

 

[2dark]

Seriously, you can try get a good Metal tone out of the MG but you would just waste way too much time and I highly doubt that it would work out in the end.

 

[ryanojohn]

it's the MG, you can get a decent tone if you work HARD, but decent still isn't good...

 

[deadly_sinn]

thanks, you pretty much confirmed what i was thinking all along..maybee ill just DI and the use guitarrig..aha..nah ill try get a better amp!.that cab isnt that bad mind..thanks for the advise!

 

[cobhc]

I'd also say ditch the cab. Either use impulses, or borrow a nice Mesa/Marshall cab as well as thr new amp. Which cab is it btw, if it's anything to do with the MG amp, then ditch it lol.

 

[deadly_sinn]

will do, only prob over here is that im working on a budget of ZERO and i have to make shit happen with less...and where am i going to get impulses from?..
would it be terrible if i just recorded a line in and then used guitarrig for the rest?..or, what if i just used a destrotion pedal?..it is hard to get gear here in cape town!

 

[cobhc]

will do, only prob over here is that im working on a budget of ZERO and i have to make shit happen with less...and where am i going to get impulses from?..
would it be terrible if i just recorded a line in and then used guitarrig for the rest?..or, what if i just used a destrotion pedal?..it is hard to get gear here in cape town!

Yes, don't use GuitarRig, or just a distortion pedal. If you can DI the guitars, I'm sure someone here will help you out to reamp them, probably for free. If my reamp worked properly, I'd do it. I could run them through ReValver for you, and might be able to get a convincing tone. Just get those DI tracks sorted and online and you can go from there.

 

[deadly_sinn]

i got one more question...what happens with leeks?..i mean if someone does a leak on a clean chanel it doesnt do anything, would they sound normal in reamping?

 

[cobhc]

i got one more question...what happens with leeks?..i mean if someone does a leak on a clean chanel it doesnt do anything, would they sound normal in reamping?

I'm not sure I follow as to what you mean by a leak? Do you mean the vegetable, do you mean the slang term for someone taking a piss (pissing on clean channels isn't good), or do you mean something else?

 

[deadly_sinn]

no no..like an atrificial harmonic..you know when you hit certain notes with a pic but as you hit them you mute them with you thumb making a high pitched whine sound..very comon in metal..ill find a sound byte if im not explaining it right

 

[punkrockacademyfightsong]

I believe he's talking about a pinch harmonic.
my suggestion would be: split the signal so you can monitor it through their amp, but just record a clean DI signal. That way you can hear if everything is played alright to sound good with an amp but you can get a better tone than the amp you're using.

 

[cobhc]

no no..like an atrificial harmonic..you know when you hit certain notes with a pic but as you hit them you mute them with you thumb making a high pitched whine sound..very comon in metal..ill find a sound byte if im not explaining it right

Oh, an artificial harmonic, I've never heard them called leak before.