Mayhem - De Mysteriis...

[The Grimace]

I'm a stupid head.

I'm not sure as to why you credit 'DMDS' to Varg and Snorre more than to Aarseth, but you do realize that half those songs were written around or before 1990, right? They played them live with Dead... I mean, he wrote the lyrics. They're on Live In Leipzig. Do you know what the fuck you're talking about?

 

[Cynical]

Enslaved's best works, Vikingligr Veldi and Hordanes Land, could almost be seen as a cross between Hvis Lyset Tar Oss and Summoning. VV ranks #5 on my all time favorite BM album list; for comparison, TH ranks #3, DMDS ranks #14, HLTO ranks #1, Pure Holocaust ranks #4, and ITNE ranks #2.

@Grimace- You'll note that DMDS has many, many riffs that are straight off of Thorns demos, and also that with the exception of Funeral Fog that all of those songs that had been around for a while were massively reworked in around '91, mostly under Varg's influence.

 

[The Grimace]

@Grimace- You'll note that DMDS has many, many riffs that are straight off of Thorns demos, and also that with the exception of Funeral Fog that all of those songs that had been around for a while were massively reworked in around '91, mostly under Varg's influence.

Point being? Does this discount the fact that Mayhem was the early influence of the Norwegian scene? Varg made it better, but Aarseth made it. He didn't get the 'father of the scene' title by accident. It wasn't a typo in 'Lords Of Chaos' or something. Aarseth really was the genesis of it all, Snorre's and Varg's individual genius aside.

 

[Cynical]

Darkthrone made the shift to black metal back while all of the rest of those bands still were playing (or thought that they were playing) DM.

The most possible influence Asareth could have was on the social scene, which is of no importance, unless you're a BM fan for the gossip.

 

[The Grimace]

Darkthrone made the shift to black metal back while all of the rest of those bands still were playing (or thought that they were playing) DM.

I wouldn't say 'Blaze' was an undeniably BM album, not in the same way 'Funeral' was, and that wasn't released until '93, at least a year after several other acts had firmly established themselves as BM. Honestly, the biggest difference between 'Blaze' and 'Soulside' was the production and the vocals. I'm not arguing with Darkthrone's BM credentials, but you can hardly say their influence pre-dated Mayhem, not by any stretch of the imagination.

The most possible influence Asareth could have was on the social scene, which is of no importance, unless you're a BM fan for the gossip.

You're a fucking goon.

 

[Astral Poetry]

I shouldn't need too, just give it a few spins and it should be obvious. Everything about it is excellent, the vocals, the lyrics, the songwriting, the basswork, the riffs... EVERYTHING, and it adds up to an undescribable feeling nothing has beat so far. Sure, there are infinitely better bands than Mayhem, but DMDS is the best album ever.

Feeling is subjective. I get a much deeper, more fulfilling feeling from Burzum, but I can chart it up to brilliant architectural structuring of the many different melodies hidden within the work which one has to find with each listen, rather than the bland riffing and structuring of DMDS.

Face it, Mayhem (and DMDS) was the bottom of the creative 2nd wave barrell. They're ok, but vastly overshadowed by the immense releases of other bands of the era.

 

[Cynical]

I wouldn't say 'Blaze' was an undeniably BM album, not in the same way 'Funeral' was, and that wasn't released until '93, at least a year after several other acts had firmly established themselves as BM. Honestly, the biggest difference between 'Blaze' and 'Soulside' was the production and the vocals. I'm not arguing with Darkthrone's BM credentials, but you can hardly say their influence pre-dated Mayhem, not by any stretch of the imagination.

Have you heard ABITNS and SJ? Hint- SJ is a death metal album, almost a cross between early Amorphis and Cadaver. ABITNS is BM album which has droning, repetitive songs and lots of Hellhammer/Celtic Frost worship, and a few riffs that happen to sound like SJ riffs.

You're fucking goon.

Ha, I like how you admit to being into BM mainly for the social scene and gossip.

 

[The Grimace]

This has really helped to affirm my belief that (usually, no offense to the nice guys) most 'smart' metal fans are the most disgusting of pretentious fags, who rarely have any understanding of the music they listen to beyond the silly labels that other people place on it. I'm sure Cynical really believes that there is some absolute, invisible line that separates 'death' and 'black', but there's not. It's all subjective, and based on the intentions of the musicians involved, but that's something fanboys will never be able to appreciate, cause they're too worried about what t-shirts to buy and stuff.

Ha, I like how you admit to being into BM mainly for the social scene and gossip.

I can't understand why I'm getting pissed off at you. I really shouldn't be. I mean, I know they taught us in school to take the 'special' kids with a grain of salt... but...

FUCK OFF.

 

[Cynical]

This has really affirmed my belief that (usually, no offense to the nice guys) most 'smart' metal fans are the most disgusting of pretentious fags, who rarely have any understanding of the music they listen to beyond the silly labels that other people place on it. I'm sure Cynical really believes that there is some absolute, invisible line that separates 'death' and 'black', but there's not. It's all subjective, and based on the intentions of the musicians involved, but that's something fanboys will never be able to appreciate, cause they're too worried about what t-shirts to buy and stuff.



I can't understand why I'm getting pissed off at you. I really shouldn't be. I mean, I know they taught us in school to take the 'special' kids with a grain of salt... but...

FUCK OFF.

The ultimate sign of defeat is when someone doesn't even try to argue any point made but rather resorts to such innovative insults as "elitist" and "fanboy".

 

[The Grimace]

k, I'm done either way.

 

[Hell Mike]

Feeling is subjective.

Well no shit, Sherlock. If you don't get it, you don't. I can't explain my subjective feelings, but I can ramble about the innovative and unique elements on DMDS and bla bla bla, but it doesn't matter anyway. What matters is how it feels. Burzum also released EXCELLENT albums, but not the best one ever in my opinion.

Face it, Mayhem (and DMDS) was the bottom of the creative 2nd wave barrell. They're ok, but vastly overshadowed by the immense releases of other bands of the era.

I strongly disagree, and a short note to those who bitch about how influential this or that band/album is, DMDS and the songs and people involved (read: Euronymous and to some degree Varg and Snorre) was the most influential act of that era on other acts of the same era. The album was released quite late, true, but most songs had been around for quite a while and their fellow norwegians had heard them.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

The ultimate sign of defeat is when someone doesn't even try to argue any point made but rather resorts to such innovative insults as "elitist" and "fanboy".

That argument could not have gone on any longer. When all the intellectualism is gone from an argument, it often tends to be forfeited. A forfeit is not a defeat, but a graceful choice or decision.

 

[Crimson Velvet]

I still don't understand why people give Snorre any credit, seeing as most of his demos were released AFTER almost all the Mayhem songs were written. If anything, Mayhem influenced him, not the other way around.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

What the hell are you buying "De Mysteriis..." for? Go buy "Live in Leipzig"!

Yuh!

 

[Astral Poetry]

Well no shit, Sherlock. If you don't get it, you don't. I can't explain my subjective feelings, but I can ramble about the innovative and unique elements on DMDS and bla bla bla, but it doesn't matter anyway. What matters is how it feels. Burzum also released EXCELLENT albums, but not the best one ever in my opinion.

Well now, you shouldn't be insulting people for not liking an album based on subjective feeling now shouldn't you? I mean, I could see if you were arguing over something objective, like the aesthetics of Beethoven versus Dimmu Borgir.

 

[Hell Mike]

I don't really think I did, even if I agree that I shouldn't... I still do it pretty often anyway. If people are morons as seen from my subjective point of view I don't see anything wrong with telling them.

 

[The Grimace]

^ 2 points

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

I very much appreciate the influence it's given countless bands I enjoy and listen to on a daily basis, but I just don't like it much.

Wow i actually agree with you on something lol .. but i guess i'll have to give it a few more listens.. im thinking of getting the live album since most say that is probably better...

 

[Hell Mike]

It might have more significance nane fcuen shit but its not BETTER. DMDS is theh best albinm ever. EVER. Im fucken ntelling ou.

 

[MasterOLightning]

Looks like somebody was drinking last night...