Metal back on top
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MasterOLightning
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People like bands with vocal melodies, so until more metal bands feature vocals, they won't become too popular. Metal in the '70s and '80s had a lot more emphasis on vocals, and bands with charismatic singers like Halford, Dio, Ozzy, etc. became pretty popular. Going back to the '30s, people have always preferred vocals to instruments. Swing jazz was pop music for a time, until vocalists took the dominant role in the music.
Metal is not the only genre that isn't mainstream. The others are mostly also not vocal driven. It's not an issue of metal; it's about vocal vs. non-vocal music.
Metal is not the only genre that isn't mainstream. The others are mostly also not vocal driven. It's not an issue of metal; it's about vocal vs. non-vocal music.
Zephyrus
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good point... which is also why so many people hate opera and choral classical music because the vocal style is so 'foreign' from popular styles of singing.
The only way Metal is going to become mainstream is if every non-Metalhead is killed.
Not that I'm suggesting anything, of course.
As it is, the general culture and attitudes of the modern world don't breed the Metal into children, thus most of them listen to the norm. But if the world was a darker and less sugar coated place, Metal would reign supreme.
Not that I'm suggesting anything, of course.
As it is, the general culture and attitudes of the modern world don't breed the Metal into children, thus most of them listen to the norm. But if the world was a darker and less sugar coated place, Metal would reign supreme.
V.V.V.V.V.
Houses Ov Mercury
Not dark enough. I see too many people smiling inanely for it to be miserable enough.
Remove the sugar coating and I expect half of the world would kill themselves.
Remove the sugar coating and I expect half of the world would kill themselves.
V.V.V.V.V.
Houses Ov Mercury
Go write some suicidal BM lyrics then.
At least 150,000 people dying a day isn't grim, of course...
At least 150,000 people dying a day isn't grim, of course...
Not in the slightest, considering how many people are born during that time.
It's enough to make a grown man cry.
But really, I do wonder how people can go about their lives as if terrible things don't happen every day. Though it probably has something to do with it not happening to them.
It's enough to make a grown man cry.
But really, I do wonder how people can go about their lives as if terrible things don't happen every day. Though it probably has something to do with it not happening to them.
Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
And 200,000 being born. Overpopulation is killing the planet just as much as global warming.
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Mr. Nekrophetamine
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Okay, these are great points on this question, but what is really best for metal and the fans, in lieu of the original topic?
It seems that eventually all bands get to a point where they wish to change their sound (to fit their own needs), or to stay consistent. On one hand, you get guys like In Flames... who really didn't ask to break into the mainstream (or more like, "Hot Topic Metal"), they just wanted to change. Is that really something the deserve to be shunned for? (depending on if you ever liked them before) It comes to a point where, is the music really as watered down as we think it is, or are we pissed off because the kid in the Slipknot shirt suddenly enjoys it? We knew about x band for years, but y album comes out, and suddenly this faggot thinks it's great? You can't help but feel betrayed.
On the other hand, there is the consistency and what keeps it underground... which is (sometimes) paralell to stagnancy at this point. Bands like Overkill and Helloween keep going and going. There are rarely any surprises, but most of us like it, and prefer it to some new band in the genre. Then you have Anthrax, who, with every release, you just end up wondering when they're finally going to die or something. Few bands like these are branching out beyond new lyrics and artwork... so I think it makes them a little boring to some of us. In someways I think we're pointing the fingers at the wrong bands.
I don't ever want metal to be mainstream, even if it could be. I can't imagine being at a show, standing next to the kind of person (without harming them) that buys Britney Spears music. There are still a lot of people out there just on the edge though, the ones that just need the right song or band to come along and help them to the underground, and away from corporate radio. I'd like metal to reach those kind of people, at least. In America especially.
zoidberg
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I hate to be the first one to point this out, but Nile really is not shit if you're talking about popular music in the US. They don't even have a single Platinum album over here. Come to think of it I highly doubt they have a Gold album over here. We might play Metal bands like them up like they're really popular, but in hindsight Beyonce, Jay-Z, & Lil' Jeezey absolutely SLAY Nile in record sales... I'm talking complete Anihilation. Fall Out Boy even rape them. That's the real popular music, not Nile. They're just a Death Metal band that found a small niche in the market & are probably the most popular modern American Death band out there. Tons & tons & tons of folks still haven't heard of them, & it doesn't mean they're living under a rock. Death Metal is not even popular & they would never play Nile on local radio at this point in time.
When the guy is saying that he wants to see Metal get popular I'm thinking that he wants to see a Metal band drop an album & go Platinum in a month or two (or whatever those really big Jay-Z type albums get to in that time). To the very best of my knowledge the ONLY "Metal" band that can still do something like this would be Metallica, & that's because they've been popular for so long & they have a well known name. They also only became very popular with their older "Metal" music in hindsight after they did songs like "Nothing Else Matters". That was the kind of music it took to make their name big, not "Master of Puppets". It then became cool for rednecks to like Metallica & buy all their albums. Metallica were probably like Nile are now in '86.
MasterOLightning
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No, Metallica sold a ton of records in the '80s. Their first four albums all probably outsold the latest Nile album tenfold before the s/t.
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I share it all. I like bands that are popular. Cryptopsy is probably the least popular band I listen to. At least out of metal.
The main way for metal to get into the mainstream is by cross-breeding with rock music. Hence the screamo. Man I was pretty impressed when I found out that there were mainstream bands that used death vocals.
The main way for metal to get into the mainstream is by cross-breeding with rock music. Hence the screamo. Man I was pretty impressed when I found out that there were mainstream bands that used death vocals.
ShredHeadJHJ
oh noes itz a opinionn
Ya think they were that popular in '86 right after Puppets? I know Justice gained them a bit of popularity I could imagine, but they were opening for Ozzy & shit around '86 (Ozzy - Ozzfest). Maybe they were that popular then though, I don't really know. I'm 23 & you probably lived through that time.
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