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I always thought so...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?xml=/connected/2007/03/21/nmetal21.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?xml=/connected/2007/03/21/nmetal21.xml
Metalheads are Gifted - newspaper article
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I knew I was right all these years. When I gave exams to my students dressed with an Iron Maiden shirt, all those days studying complex subjects while listen to metal. Those long sessions in the lab deep into the night doing hard synthetic procedures while the boombox was blasting some metal.
Metal = intelligence (except for some mutants in certain forums I know :Smug:
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Metal = intelligence (except for some mutants in certain forums I know :Smug:
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kittybeast
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Meatl = intelligence (except for some mutants in certain forums I know :Smug:
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?!?!?
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ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT?!?!?
Absolutely. I mean most metalheads i know in person or throughout a forum like ours are basically intelligent people. Besides metal you can discuss several different topics, there's a huge array of minds from highschool level to professionals and workers, all of different genders, religious beliefs, cultural and ideological backgrounds.
As always also rotten apples surface in all barrels, mongrels who want to be too kult and tr00. People who waste air and other resources polluting the planet with idiocy.
But in general terms look at a metalhead and then to someone into reggaeton
, by Jupiter if we are not a privileged species among the living 
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kittybeast
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Xorv
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Trans-Siberian Outcast
Savaholic
Nice of a bunch of fancy suits to publish facts that most of us -- as heavy metal fans -- have known for years. If they just would have asked us, we could have saved them the trouble of the study. 
Fangface
Child of the Damned
The article doesn't exactly say that metalheads are gifted actually.
It also says that gifted teenagers use heavy metal to deal with stress :
Pretty interesting anyway :
It also says that gifted teenagers use heavy metal to deal with stress :
Pretty interesting anyway :
I doubt the article. The proof doesnt seem concrete enough anyway. Most metalheads are either average or just plain stupid. The only difference is that they stumbled into a subculture and they take music more seriously than the rest.
buzzardbutt
I am...Madcheese!
It's funny cause it's true, back in highschool my assistant principal once said to me, "You know what's weird? All the students that give the staff the most trouble are the regular kids,you and your metalhead friends are the only ones who are good."
I guess he didn't really look through my records cause 10th and 11th grade I was in the office almost every 2 days for bitching teachers out and writing on the walls.
Shit, I once wrote FUCK HHS->(Hillcrest High School) on the blacktop while it was covered in snow. I got in really big shit for that one it was as big as the blacktop, my dad kicked my ass.
I guess he didn't really look through my records cause 10th and 11th grade I was in the office almost every 2 days for bitching teachers out and writing on the walls.
Shit, I once wrote FUCK HHS->(Hillcrest High School) on the blacktop while it was covered in snow. I got in really big shit for that one it was as big as the blacktop, my dad kicked my ass.
buzzardbutt
I am...Madcheese!
Nice of a bunch of fancy suits to publish facts that most of us -- as heavy metal fans -- have known for years. If they just would have asked us, we could have saved them the trouble of the study.
Yeah but they're anti-socials.
The saYer
thrashermetaller
Something about the article seems so not concrete.
Also, I have a high self esteem and have no family problems, AND, I am a metalhead, but don't listen to any of the bands they mentioned except iron maiden, (and maybe one spin at dragonforce).
Also, I have a high self esteem and have no family problems, AND, I am a metalhead, but don't listen to any of the bands they mentioned except iron maiden, (and maybe one spin at dragonforce).
Given the apparent inability of most people in this thread to correctly comprehend the article, I highly doubt the 'intelligent metalhead' is the norm. The study did not conclude that metal listeners are intelligent, it concluded that intelligent rejects (i.e. 'nerds') listen to angry music to cope with their social shortcomings. Is that really something for a fan of the genre to be proud of?
Trans-Siberian Outcast
Savaholic
I was an angry nerd (technically an "outcast" before computer days) in 1983 and I listened to metal. And, yes, I'm damn proud of it.
Did I have social shortcomings? Yes. Did I have above normal intellectual skills? Yes. So did several friend of mine back then that are still close friends of mine today (one of them posts here, rokk).
I would much rather have friends like that than someone who starts off a post with, "Given the apparent inability of most people in this thread to correctly comprehend the article".
That is pretentious.
And if you "highly doubt the 'intelligent metalhead' is the norm" you're hanging out with the wrong people.
Bryant
Mr. Sleepy
I both agree and disagree with the article. I will state my reasons why I agree and disagree. I will summerize from personal experiences.
Disagree because:
1) If you want any kind of accuracy in a study, 1057 participants will not cut it.
2) I also think they are assuming things about these kids as far as them being "not well adjusted" or "having low self esteem." Though I don't claim to be a psychologist, the most popular people in school also struggle with teenage life and the social pressures everyone feels at that age.
3) It also stated one-third of the students rated heavy metal in their top five genres. Metal is not as "hidden" as it was in the late 90's early 2000's and is played on rock radio.
Agree because:
1) Metal music lyrics are less likely to use common catch phrases, and often the subjects are deeper than many other forms of music.
2) Metal music musicianship tends to be more upfront in the mix and more complexed and therefore gives a listener with more acute brain cells the ability to hear musical expression and technical ability than most other genres.
3) Metal fans tend to have their music a bigger part of their life than fans of most other genres.
My experiences:
1) You bunch of freaking no English speaking guys like Wyvern and Carnut. I can remember when both of you struggled with English. Both of you really express yourself so very well in a language that is not your first language now. This board has been great for you two and others. It has even been great for me, because I often try to challenge the non-English first readers with my writing style. I don't use big words people won't understand, but rather use different ways of saying things. My English has improved almost as much as the posters here who are not English-first. The fact that we work so hard to communicate, not only shows our love for metal, but our intellectual abilities.
I think I should have more examples, but to be honest, I need to go on to another post. I am getting brain block on this one.
Bryant
Disagree because:
1) If you want any kind of accuracy in a study, 1057 participants will not cut it.
2) I also think they are assuming things about these kids as far as them being "not well adjusted" or "having low self esteem." Though I don't claim to be a psychologist, the most popular people in school also struggle with teenage life and the social pressures everyone feels at that age.
3) It also stated one-third of the students rated heavy metal in their top five genres. Metal is not as "hidden" as it was in the late 90's early 2000's and is played on rock radio.
Agree because:
1) Metal music lyrics are less likely to use common catch phrases, and often the subjects are deeper than many other forms of music.
2) Metal music musicianship tends to be more upfront in the mix and more complexed and therefore gives a listener with more acute brain cells the ability to hear musical expression and technical ability than most other genres.
3) Metal fans tend to have their music a bigger part of their life than fans of most other genres.
My experiences:
1) You bunch of freaking no English speaking guys like Wyvern and Carnut. I can remember when both of you struggled with English. Both of you really express yourself so very well in a language that is not your first language now. This board has been great for you two and others. It has even been great for me, because I often try to challenge the non-English first readers with my writing style. I don't use big words people won't understand, but rather use different ways of saying things. My English has improved almost as much as the posters here who are not English-first. The fact that we work so hard to communicate, not only shows our love for metal, but our intellectual abilities.
I think I should have more examples, but to be honest, I need to go on to another post. I am getting brain block on this one.
Bryant
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, you rule man thanks for the vote of confidence 
You save me from myself, I wa about to flame the guy
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Well, I personally don't decide who I hang out with based on the individual's intelligence. That would be pretty shallow, I think.
Why not? 1,000 is enough to get a nice bell curve, and it doesn't sound like they were working with a huge population.Bryant said:
It doesn't really state in the article that the students listen to metal because of any inherent intelligence in the music, but because of its stress relieving qualities (i.e. loud, fast and angry). Look at the examples listed: Slipknot, In Flames, Dragonforce - they are basically listening to the most popular bands in the genre, not the ones that could be considered more intellectual than your average pop music selection by any great margin. The higher level of musical complexity in some of the selections (Tool, Dragonforce) is about the only indication of the students choosing the music based on their (or its) intelligence, but as such a reason isn't mentioned drawing this conclusion would be quite speculative. It is also important to note that these gifted children weren't exactly picking metal with overwhelming frequency - Rock, R&B and pop were *all* more popular than metal among them. Should we conclude that metal is less intelligent than these other genres because of this study? I think not, the article merely attempts to offer an explanation as to why *some* gifted kids listen to metal: because they have "lower self-esteem and more difficulties in family relationships and friendships."
Trans-Siberian Outcast
Savaholic
Again, you're hanging out with the wrong people. If choosing my friends based on intelligence makes me shallow, then shallow shall I be. I can live with that. Because I have a tight circle of friends that I wouldn't trade for my own pacific island.
Also, your digest of the article is right on. You'll notice I didn't debate that. I like the article and it has it's truths...mostly it just spoke to me and my friends growing up. I also have a 14-year-old son of a friend who is getting into metal. He's a pretty smart cookie... just seems like another adult to me most of the time. I'm impressed he chose metal (stuff his dad and I listen to) instead of the crap his friends and MTV/radio are trying to feed him.
I'm sorry, you've lost me.Trans-Siberian Outcast said:
I doubt the intelligent metalhead is the norm, therefore I'm hanging out with the wrong people? Why are you linking a vague sociological observation with personal relationships?Similar threads
