Alright so basically 1 core card is plenty, but I STILL have to worry about ADC because I won't be using many TDM plugins?
That makes HD more feasible then, but I don't know. I'm still on the fence.
Migrating to pro tools...
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Alright so basically 1 core card is plenty, but I STILL have to worry about ADC because I won't be using many TDM plugins?
That makes HD more feasible then, but I don't know. I'm still on the fence.
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
[UEAK]Clowd;8242077 said:
Nope!
I actually only just realized this when I first started posting about the topic, but now I think it's fucking awesome!
Ermz
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I found the most cost effective way to get the best of both worlds was to run PTLE off an Mbox, with the original production toolkit, used solely for editing and transferal purposes. Then Cubase for the mixing and mastering work. Given Elastic Audio, one could probably get away with not running any toolkits these days.
Until Digi can both LE and HD, split the difference, and just create a full-fledged native DAW, there doesn't seem to be a sane option in the ProTools camp. With HD you pay for DSP you don't need. With LE you pay for interfaces you don't need, and get gimped software to boot. It's kind of hard to come out on top. It's that classic situation where you're paying for the name and that nobody else provides what it does. If they had some decent competition up there in top-tier land, we might actually have seen some forward movement in the last few years in terms of their market offerings.
Until Digi can both LE and HD, split the difference, and just create a full-fledged native DAW, there doesn't seem to be a sane option in the ProTools camp. With HD you pay for DSP you don't need. With LE you pay for interfaces you don't need, and get gimped software to boot. It's kind of hard to come out on top. It's that classic situation where you're paying for the name and that nobody else provides what it does. If they had some decent competition up there in top-tier land, we might actually have seen some forward movement in the last few years in terms of their market offerings.
Joshua Wickman
Yes Sir!
Don't protools hd (tdm) plugins cost a arm and a leg?
I don't feel limited in protools le at all besides delay compensation. I have ata time adjuster for that though and with a few minutes of setup work I'm latency free. You would be surprised how good the black lion audio mods sound and puts the 002 on a whole new level. I cant compare to a hd rig but i can compare to another 002. I own 2 digi002 as i have one for backup.
Ok i must ask as I'm kinda dumb to protools hd but if I wanted to run 18 inputs on a hd rig, whats that gonna cost me. Also i Want to be able to run as many plugins as i can on my Core2Quad Q6600. Also you need new plugins as well right?
If this is around 2000.00 I'm gonna go jump off a bridge! I did some pricing some time ago and it was more like 8,000. I may have looked into the wrong things as I said I'm not very up on protools hd hardware.
I don't feel limited in protools le at all besides delay compensation. I have ata time adjuster for that though and with a few minutes of setup work I'm latency free. You would be surprised how good the black lion audio mods sound and puts the 002 on a whole new level. I cant compare to a hd rig but i can compare to another 002. I own 2 digi002 as i have one for backup.
Ok i must ask as I'm kinda dumb to protools hd but if I wanted to run 18 inputs on a hd rig, whats that gonna cost me. Also i Want to be able to run as many plugins as i can on my Core2Quad Q6600. Also you need new plugins as well right?
If this is around 2000.00 I'm gonna go jump off a bridge! I did some pricing some time ago and it was more like 8,000. I may have looked into the wrong things as I said I'm not very up on protools hd hardware.
Yeah, that's what I'm feeling right now, ADC is the biggest problem and there's a simple workaround for it, so what gives? I've read something about the session data importing being inferior on LE?
does anyone know of a differences checklist for just the LE and HD software?
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
yes TDM is expensive but no, you don't need to buy them, you can still use all your native plugins.
the 96 is about 1700 new I think. used it should be around 900
the HD core card (PCI) runs around 1000 also if you're a bit patient with ebay.
so that's about 1800-2000 for a working HD1 rig with 18 inputs.
JUMP!
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Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
yes TDM is expensive but no, you don't need to buy them, you can still use all your native plugins.
the 96 is about 1700 new I think. used it should be around 900
the HD core card (PCI) runs around 1000 also if you're a bit patient with ebay.
so that's about 1800-2000 for a working HD1 rig with 18 inputs.
JUMP!
But how do the converters in the 96 stack up to a black lion modded 002?? I think I'd probably go ahead and spring for the 192 if I end up going for an HD system... but I've heard even the converters in that aren't the greatest. Granted, they are probably a big step up from my audiofire12.
also, I've yet to find a core card that comes with legit software(everything I've seen on ebay is just the 8.0 upgrade) plus I've read about problems transferring the license?? headaches headaches headaches.
I'm really temped to jump to hd, but if i do it, I'll do probably the next two years becouse I really want the c24 bundle with 2 96 I/o.
I'm a bit confused about the c24, but for what i have read, the c24 have 16 mic pre right?
How are this pres?
I'm a bit confused about the c24, but for what i have read, the c24 have 16 mic pre right?
How are this pres?
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
[UEAK]Clowd;8243192 said:
ofte the core cards come with PT 6 or something, an upgrade is pretty affordable though.
I haven't compared the interfaces directly tbh, most of our favorite CDs were recorded with the 192 though.
I just skipped even that step and went with the Apogee AD-16x.
but that is very expensive to be fair
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
yep, those are focusrite preamps and they're decent.
I never felt the urge to have a digital controller though....would probably spending more time setting up and assigning things than mixing
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hey guys, I also think about changing cubendo to protools le or mpowered (probably some m-audio with adat) , but have i read somewhere that there are some plugins that dont make delay problems in le and mpowered, for example some waves stuff, some psp`s , here`s list i found on some polish board:
Waves (C1, Q10, API, V-Series, SSL, itd.)
PSP Neon z wylaczonym LP
PSP Nitro
PSP Easyverb
Massey
IK Multimedia CSR
do you guys maybe know where can i find a full list of plugins that don`t introduce delaey in pt?
and second question, about midi in pro tools - is that true that protools sucks at midi ? i`ve heard that it`s not possible to have drum editing view (like drum roll in cubase, where i have drum names instead of piano notes), and that for exmple from sequencing drums from superior i`d have to use regular piano roll (that sucks:/)
Waves (C1, Q10, API, V-Series, SSL, itd.)
PSP Neon z wylaczonym LP
PSP Nitro
PSP Easyverb
Massey
IK Multimedia CSR
do you guys maybe know where can i find a full list of plugins that don`t introduce delaey in pt?
and second question, about midi in pro tools - is that true that protools sucks at midi ? i`ve heard that it`s not possible to have drum editing view (like drum roll in cubase, where i have drum names instead of piano notes), and that for exmple from sequencing drums from superior i`d have to use regular piano roll (that sucks:/)
SteveFireland
Stormzone/Fireland - Lead Guitar
ADC for outboard? How does it know the latency of your outboard stuff?
I'm using PTMP8 with the MPTK2. recorded my band's last album with 7.x and it worked out fine. Able to transfer sessions between here and a local HD3-equipped studio with no problems, any time they want me to play something etc. Definitely better then not having PT at all, if you can't afford an HD rig...
Though if I had an HD rig, I'd probably be a snob about it too...
j/kSteve.
Ermz
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DAWs can ping your hardware with a transient then align that transient when it comes back on the loopback cables. They measure the delay between the original and the return, then they adjust accordingly. Oddly when I did this with my GSSL yesterday, Cubase maintained a delay of 0ms. Suppose compressors aren't too bad with it.
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
SteveFireland
Stormzone/Fireland - Lead Guitar
Hmm, I've done that manually before, but didn't know PTHD did it automatically... pretty handy! Hopefully Digi/Avid will cave and put give LE/MP ADC at some point soon! Until then, there's always Mellowmuse ATA, I suppose.
Steve.
Steve.
As to the converters on the 192, I'm of the firm belief that once you get to that point the amount of extra money you'd have to spend for anything better is gonna be in such poor ratio to the actual improvement you'll get, especially for individually-tracked metal! (it's really only in live-recordings with tons of dynamics and such, like for classical, that I can see buying a few Benchmarks actually being a worthwhile investment).
