Mikael's theory knowledge

[Ermz]

The reason I said 5/3 is because I intentionally took a time signature that seemed impossible to accomplish . Oh and whoever gave the link to the Cyanide Christ tab... I was just listening to that song as the exact time I saw it... cool

 

[Don Corleone]

Originally posted by Silent Downfall
mikael pretty much has no knowledge of theory. he goes completely by what sounds good.

i know basic music theory, like reading notes and shit but i like to go by influences and ear as well.

err, is reading notes considered music theory?

 

[phon1c]

yes

 

[YaYo]

Theory is invaluable. But composition skills are more valuable, its about knowing when, how and why to apply theory, not doing just coz it said so in the last book you read.

I once read something that taught me how to write a song. A step by step guide to writing this little melody thing, i tell you i was laughing hard. Theory are the tools you have at your disposal when creating music (though one of the tools you must also learn is that there are no rules). Theres only so much you can do to a block of wood if you only have a drill and a spade.

 

[Brooks]

If all the counterpoint of Morningrise was done purely by ear, then I am very impressed.

 

[Hondo]

It is. I think a lot of it on the later albums is just improvised in the studio also. Well, I mean, they probably run through it a couple times first, but still. It's one of the main parts of their sound.

 

[Fall]

how do you play those complex time sigs and make it sound good?

 

[Ermz]

Originally posted by Fall
how do you play those complex time sigs and make it sound good?

Spend $20, 000 on equipment.

 

[Poison Godmachine]

Originally posted by Hondo
Yes, I would call time sigs that are a prime number larger than 20 "weird." I wonder if anyone's ever done a song in 71/16

-Hondo

The whole point of having a time signature is so you can "feel" the rythem if you start getting into those huge time signature it would take to long for you to get back to the 1 so people wouldn't notice it as any type of real time signature at all. besides a large time signature could be broken down into 2 or more parts of diffrent time signatures.

 

[JDF2002]

whats the counting for 5/3 time sig?? i know 5/4 but how is 5/3 accented?

 

[Garm]

even though music making has no rules, all people follow some subconcious ones. It's in our nature, just as the whales follow the same ones.

 

[Morningrise]

I don't think you could do a song in 71/16 unless you had a straight succession of 71 different 16 notes or something like that, it would be fun to hear none the less heh

 

[KielbasaSausage]

 

[Hondo]

That's what I mean. Have some repeating 71-note melody. Just for the sake of it.

 

[Poison Godmachine]

Sweet! my cool midi program Melody assistant lets me use that time sig! WHEEEEEEE!!!!!! Maybe I'll post a midi!

 

[Rusty]

Originally posted by Hobo
if you want to learn theory... here is a good startpage.
http://www.freakguitar.com/
it is the homepage of Mattias "IA" Eklund. For those who dont know him, he is a swedish guitarist, plays in Freak Kitchen, and beats the living crap out of almost anyone..

That page also pretty much proves that you arent restricted by knowing theory (check out the scales part, i can asure you, you dont know all of those scales earlier...).

and do listen to some of the samples he has..
damn.. this guy is briliant..

This site is gonna be really useful to me... thanks! Before I only knew four scales, and only two of those by name.

 

[bleedingskeptic]

If all the counterpoint of Morningrise was done purely by ear, then I am very impressed.

do you know how to play any song on morningrise? the harmonies aren't really that complicated at all. a lot of octaves, A TON of minor and major thirds, fifthes, and so fourth. its basic theory. however, in some of opeth's later stuff they use some more weird dissonant harmonies.

 

[OneFootBlaster]

dissonant- hmm... you mean like those last notes at the end of the guitar part in the beginning of "Bleak"? (before the song actually starts) That sounds totally fucked up! Out of tune and shit. I love that part. It bothers the psyche.. hah

 

[Hondo]

Leper Affinity sounds kind of dissonant, especially that first riff. Basically when the notes don't sound like they go together that well. Inharmonious. And that little part in Bleak is very dissonant. I can't name much else offhand.

 

[Lakestream]

it's hard to make good dissonances

and I love these ones


(oh...check out Leo Brouwer for weird dissonances with acoustic guitar.....he's my classical guitar hero...try etudes VII and X)