New album Foregone out February 2023

From my perspective the two misfits of the IF catalogue are Come Clarity and Siren Charms. CC was a complete detour from where they had been going with Reroute and STYE, whilst SC was a complete detour from everything good they had done up until that point.

I don't think CC was a detour, more like it was the accelerated and almost forced pinnacle of evolution of that era and that line up. Stylistically when you look at those 2006-7 live shows, all the songs blend well together, the mash up of STYE/Reroute/CC.
Maybe I would even go as far to say that Come Clarity is the freshest the band has ever sounded, the crystal clear production and (imho) Anders's vocals being exceptionally produced with solid melodic ideas and lots of stylistic variations. Reroute was an experiment that has more atmosphere than actual substance, STYE was very proto-CC but subpar in quality as half of the album is filler. When you look at it in that context, Come Clarity feels like a spectacular return to form, no fillers (Okay, maybe Scream), great production, considerably more melodic than its predecessor.

And maybe my favorite thing about that record is just how uptempo and energetic it feels. I really wish they stuck with CC formula onward, ASOP was inferior in every way - guitar tone, visual representation (hate the cover, hate the mascot), everything after it was progressively more and more anemic and lifeless.
 
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Reroute was a tentative step towards 'Murican metal, STYE was the big jump to that kind of sound. CC then seemed to do a bit of a hard reset - suddenly the guitar melodies and solos were back. Production also dramatically shifted from being soft and wimpy to being harsh and in-your-face.

ASOP was weird in that it kept the guitar melodies, but production got wrecked and vocals drastically declined in quality.

SOAPF massively improved production, insofar as changing their sound, which helped with vocals too. Guitar melodies and solos were still there, but obviously a bit different as there was no longer any direct Jesper influence.

SC, yeah, just a big pile of shit. Goodbye good production, goodbye decent sounding vocals, goodbye interesting guitar melodies and solos, goodbye energy, goodbye upbeat tempo. Basically, goodbye In Flames. RIP.

Battles, basically an animated corpse. More uptempo and energetic, but utterly fake and production is laughably weak. Also the uptempo and energy is not the same as previous IF releases, feels more like what you'd hear from a pop-punk band or something. HB Era IF begins.

ITM actually a bit of an improvement. Still HB IF, but probably the 'best' version of this era of the band. Some parts reminiscent of the OG IF sound (although often because riffs and melodies are literally ripped from older material). Probably the last time we'll hear Anders' fry scream. Overall doesn't feel as lifeless or fake as the previous two records, but still way below the bar set by SOAPF for post-Jesper era.

Foregone, well, this is the same as Battles in that 90% of the album doesn't sound like IF to me. TGD and MYM, yeah, mid-era IF put through the HB filter. The rest, not really. Vocals all this low, deep growl which Anders has never really done in the past. Closest would be something like Whoracle, but even there it isn't the same as he has no technique on Whoracle. He does now, but much like when Stanne morphed into robo-Stanne, technique takes away from the uniqueness of what I'm used to with Anders' vocals. Little in the way of upbeat, catchy melodies. All technically competent but lacking any soul. I appreciate what Broderick and Tanner bring to the table and both of them do a good job on Foregone, but it's not IF to me. Production is solid though, that much I will concede.

I do wonder if Sony dropping them after SC, and SC getting such a negative reception, was ultimately the trigger that ruined Anders and Bjorn's confidence and let to them finding safety and solace in the arms of Benson. If so then it's a shame, because whilst SC was a misstep, I think a lot of the problems came from the band failing to plan and prepare appropriately. Bjorn worked on SOAPF for something like 3 months - probably a bit longer overall - before they even got to the studio. SC, in comparison, I believe was basically written and recorded within six weeks in studio. The difference shows in the quality of each album.

All they needed to do was return to SOAPF way of working. Give Bjorn adequate time to prepare himself before going to studio, make some small amendments once in studio but basically know what the album's structure is ahead of time. They didn't need Benson for that.
 
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See, I think CC has plenty of filler and I don't enjoy the way the album sounds either. Personal preference. Two of the most beloved IF albums are RTR and CC and I just don't get it most of the time. CC has some good songs obviously, but it also has Scream, Reflect the Storm, Leeches and Dead End, all of which I think suck for one reason or another. Somehow I ended up actually liking STYE even though it's the furthest away from their usual sound of the era and even more amazing because production wise, I think it's one of their worst sounding albums. To me, that's proof that they don't need to make straight up melodeath for me to enjoy it. I'll still take CC over ASOP and ASOP over RTR though. STYE > CC > ASOP > RTR -- that should upset at least somebody out there.

All of that being said, CC also has the title track, Vacuum, Crawl Through Knives and Vanishing Light which I think are excellent IF songs.

Just noticed that Spotify has Our Infinite Struggle listed as Our Infinite Solution.
 
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See, I think CC has plenty of filler and I don't enjoy the way the album sounds either. Personal preference. Two of the most beloved IF albums are RTR and CC and I just don't get it most of the time. CC has some good songs obviously, but it also has Scream, Reflect the Storm, Leeches and Dead End, all of which I think suck for one reason or another.

I respect your opinion, but it's a very uncommon one, for sure. The chorus of Scream is probably the only subpar moment on that entire album for me.
 
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See, I think CC has plenty of filler and I don't enjoy the way the album sounds either. Personal preference. Two of the most beloved IF albums are RTR and CC and I just don't get it most of the time. CC has some good songs obviously, but it also has Scream, Reflect the Storm, Leeches and Dead End, all of which I think suck for one reason or another. Somehow I ended up actually liking STYE even though it's the furthest away from their usual sound of the era and even more amazing because production wise, I think it's one of their worst sounding albums. To me, that's proof that they don't need to make straight up melodeath for me to enjoy it. I'll still take CC over ASOP and ASOP over RTR though. STYE > CC > ASOP > RTR -- that should upset at least somebody out there.

All of that being said, CC also has the title track, Vacuum, Crawl Through Knives and Vanishing Light which I think are excellent IF songs.

Just noticed that Spotify has Our Infinite Struggle listed as Our Infinite Solution.

I respect your opinion, but it's a very uncommon one, for sure. The chorus of Scream is probably the only subpar moment on that entire album for me.
I will agree that I don’t quite love RTR to nearly the same degree as the majority of this forum. Genuinely surprised about Reflect the Storm and Dead End being in your disliked songs since I think those two are arguably top five on the album bare minimum on a good day. Leeches is with them for me, but it’s got far more core and far less melodic guitarwork as well as a slow groove chorus, so I do get that one completely. I love it, but I can see why others might not.

It’s also surprising but very welcoming to see love for the title track and Vacuum. I know some people like myself love the title, but I also know others really don’t. I also don’t really ever see Vacuum get brought up, and that’s a shame because it really feels like Egonomic done right. I really want to shout out Pacing Death’s Trail as well because it’s such an underrated song both within IF’s discography and within CC’s tracklist.

I don’t mind Scream’s chorus— I like it, it’s a small adrenaline rush, but it’s a 7/10 on a nearly 10/10 album to me.

Our Infinite Struggle’s been mislabeled like that everywhere for years. I bought the album back in 2016, and it was still Our Infinite Solution. But hey, they fixed it in the full album video on their channel! Just disregard Take This Live, it’s definitely not incorrect.
 
I think the song name confusion comes from the early leak of the album, which contained a lot of the pre-release names. Also the official album I had actually ripped at least two of the songs with their working titles. One was Our Infinite Struggle/Solution, and the other one was Versus Terminus, which was called 'End of Things'. In fact, you can see on the below Blabbermouth article that even the official tracklist released to the press had VT down as 'End of Things' as late as October 2005:


Versus Terminus definitely sounds better, though.

Also, as I'm sure everyone on here already knows, the album's original title was 'Crawl Through Knives'. Again, Come Clarity was imo a better choice in the end, even if CTK is the better song.

I don't really consider CC an album with any filler tracks. The closest are probably Versus Terminus and Pacing Death's Trail, but I wouldn't put them into the filler category, only more straightforward than the other songs and a bit less melodic/catchy.

I was blessed to see Vacuum live. I was delighted at the time as it was one of my favourites off Come Clarity (this would have been their March 2006 show in London, I think).
 
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I could be wrong, but I also remember seeing somewhere that Reflect the Storm had the early name of Reflect the End. I don’t want to be giving any misinformation though, so I’d need a second opinion on that.
 
It's been a really long time since I read anything about the working titles, so I'm not sure. I know at least three or four had some rewording from early to late 2005. My OG Come Clarity CD only rips Our Infinite Struggle and Versus Terminus with their working titles, so they must have been the last to change - although as per that Blabbermouth article, OIS had been changed by October '05 at least, so it's weird the CDs printed months later still had the OIS working title. Versus Terminus seems to have been changed pretty late, so you could give that one the benefit of the doubt.
 
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I think the song name confusion comes from the early leak of the album, which contained a lot of the pre-release names. Also the official album I had actually ripped at least two of the songs with their working titles. One was Our Infinite Struggle/Solution, and the other one was Versus Terminus, which was called 'End of Things'. In fact, you can see on the below Blabbermouth article that even the official tracklist released to the press had VT down as 'End of Things' as late as October 2005
That's interesting because, as far as I can remember, I had downloaded the full album like a month before it was released, and the titles were correct. VT and OIS. Also, the version for YBSISE was like 2 minutes shorter than the final album version.
 
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Yeah my leak version also had the correct titles, so not sure how the official CD has the working ones.


As per this article from March 2005, one of the songs was originally called "Surrender?" - the only song on the album with Surrender in the lyrics is Pacing Death's Trail, so perhaps an early working title for that one.
 
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Rememeber that, at first, the title for the album was going to be Crawl Through Knives, So it looks like a lot of changes were made (by Anders). Then, the logical conclusion should be that some press received a package with the preliminary titles and other press received them with the final titles.
 
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Whilst looking at blabbermouth articles about In Flames, I came across one regarding Henke Forss' dispute with the band over Subterranean royalties. I'm curious what he means when he says:

"It's no big secret that former original members have fought IN FLAMES for 10+ years to get their right as well..."

By 'original members' I assume he means people who were part of the band pre-1999. That would be:

Glenn Ljungstrom - Unlikely? He played with Jesper in DZ and The Resistance, which I assume he wouldn't have done if he was miffed over royalties from back then.

Carl Naslund - I mean, the guy hasn't been in any bands since and only recorded something on Lunar Strain, although likely not much as Glenn and Jesper were the creative forces at that time. Considering Carl seemingly quit the music business afterwards, one would have to think he'd have to have fallen on hard times to be fighting for residuals from Lunar Strain. This one also seems unlikely.

Johan Larsson - Seems to have been successful in his post-music endeavours as a network engineer, so I wouldn't have thought he'd be fighting for presumably meagre royalties from LS/Sub/TJR/Whoracle. Particularly as he wasn't actually a songwriter.

Mikael Stanne - I think we can rule him out.

So yeah, no idea who Henke is talking about here. Sounds made up tbh.
 
I don't really consider CC an album with any filler tracks.

Wait... so you like We All Scream For Ice Cream? 🤢


I was blessed to see Vacuum live. I was delighted at the time as it was one of my favourites off Come Clarity (this would have been their March 2006 show in London, I think).

Yeah, I got it in '06 as well. Those tours are the only ones that ever got Vacuum.

We got Worlds Within the Margin, Watch Them Feed, Dial 595-ESCAPE and Graveland

You got Black & White, Moonshield, Episode 666, Crawl Through Knives, Drifter and Colony

The earlier shows that year got some real nice stuff: Swim, Artifacts, Jotun, Clad in Shadows, Ordinary Story and Bullet Ride. I don't know how the fuck Graveland got subbed in for Moonshield -- actually I do know, it was Anders, but seeing Worlds Within the Margin live was really, really cool. As heavy as it sounds on Whoracle, the sound was immense live. I figured I'd search around on the Tube for a good live recording of it and what I found was a reminder of Anders introducing the song as "WORLDS WITHIN THE MARIYINOW!" at Club Citta (I think).
 
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Wait... so you like We All Scream For Ice Cream? 🤢

Hah, no, Scream is by far my least listened to CC song - mainly because of the idiotic chorus. With that said, I wouldn't call it a filler song. To me a filler song is an average song with little effort, basically just there to pad the album out. Scream is annoying but it doesn't fit in that category for me. Verses are actually quite fine and there's some good stuff in the song. Chorus just fucks it all up.

Yeah, I got it in '06 as well. Those tours are the only ones that ever got Vacuum.

We got Worlds Within the Margin, Watch Them Feed, Dial 595-ESCAPE and Graveland

You got Black & White, Moonshield, Episode 666, Crawl Through Knives, Drifter and Colony

The earlier shows that year got some real nice stuff: Swim, Artifacts, Jotun, Clad in Shadows, Ordinary Story and Bullet Ride. I don't know how the fuck Graveland got subbed in for Moonshield -- actually I do know, it was Anders, but seeing Worlds Within the Margin live was really, really cool. As heavy as it sounds on Whoracle, the sound was immense live. I figured I'd search around on the Tube for a good live recording of it and what I found was a reminder of Anders introducing the song as "WORLDS WITHIN THE MARIYINOW!" at Club Citta (I think).

I would have loved to have seen WWTM. Don't care about Watch Them Feed as I never liked that song. DIal-595 was at one time my favourite STYE song, so in 2006 I think I would have loved to have seen that. Graveland I have seen at subsequent shows.

Lmao that club citta crowd banter is so fucking random.

Anders: This one is called worlds within the margin!
-silence-
Anders: YEAH?
Crowd: Yeah!
Anders: YEAH?
Crowd: Yeah!
Anders: YEAHHH?
Crowd: Yeah!
Anders: YEEEAAHHHHH?!?!?!
Crowd: Yeah!
Anders: Wwwwworlds widdin da marginaaaoooowww!!

Anders was so fucking awkward back then haha.
 
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Yeah, I think 'awkward' sums it up very well. I don't know if he was self conscious of his English, which is possible, or his social anxiety, which I think at least was a thing. In person I've found that he is a pretty shy individual. In 1998, he was probably still quite uncomfortable on stage. It kind of reminds me of Yannis from Beast in Black. Not too comfortable with stage banter yet. He told like a two minute story about "a boy" and "a girl" and how "things happen" and someday "you might get married" but to "be careful" of their "SWEET TRUE LIES!" It was so fucking awkward that it was hilarious. It was one of those things where it went on way too long and people in the crowd just started looking at each other like "what the fuck is he talking about?"
 
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I had this come up this morning and was pretty confused, as I don't recall leaving a comment on anything Bjorn posted recently.

Well, in 2016 he'd linked to a Papa Roach song. I guess releasing Battles wasn't enough trolling for that year. I dryly replied "your inspiration?" and for some reason 8 years later either Bjorn or his social media manager decided to respond to that irritated comment with a heart, lmao.

Niclas also did this with a bunch of old posts recently (although not all the way back to 2016) so there must be some reason for it. Visibility/algorithm related maybe.
 
I had it happen with Niclas, though I'm also unsure exactly why. It's a bit confusing every time it happens though. I don't think I knew Bjorn even had a FB. If I did, I'd probably troll him relentlessly. :D
 
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I had it happen with Niclas, though I'm also unsure exactly why. It's a bit confusing every time it happens though. I don't think I knew Bjorn even had a FB. If I did, I'd probably troll him relentlessly. :D

He hasn't posted on his FB since 2020, so even though he is on there, he doesn't really use it. Barely any comments on anything he posted either, even back then. Seems like he doesn't give much of a shit about social media, which is probably for the best, honestly.

Or, maybe, you nailed it with your comment.

Lmao, I mean, yeah, he or his social media manager could have just taken it as a genuine question rather than a sarcastic jab. Or just liked a bunch of comments without even looking at what was said.