New Amp...ADVICE

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The White Wizard
Aug 8, 2007
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Ok, so Im getting a new amp. As of now I am perfectly happy with my DK2M. I am looking to get something that can get A LOT of gain, yet be smooth, and not gritty. I play in a death metal band similar to Behemoth and Necrophagist. I want to be able to get that kind of tone. I also do Virtuoso and Prog. I am mainly looking at and ENGL Powerball and a Mesa Mark IV. I dont want to stray far from those two. Which is better for my style?
 
Ok, so Im getting a new amp. As of now I am perfectly happy with my DK2M. I am looking to get something that can get A LOT of gain, yet be smooth, and not gritty. I play in a death metal band similar to Behemoth and Necrophagist. I want to be able to get that kind of tone. I also do Virtuoso and Prog. I am mainly looking at and ENGL Powerball and a Mesa Mark IV. I dont want to stray far from those two. Which is better for my style?

I don't know about the Engl, but as a previous MK IV owner, I'll say that there probably isn't a more versatile tube amp on the market right now, with the exception of the M/B Road King. The clean channel has a Fender-like tone, and the hi gain channel sounds like a souped up Marshall right out of the box. If you go with a Mk IV, prepare to spend a LOT of time learning the amp.
There is just a ton of tone locked inside, but it takes a little work experimenting, and gettinig to know the amp. The 2nd channel of the MK IV, I found little use for it, but I was more interested in it's hi gain & clean tones at the time. Either way you go, let your own ears decide...
 
Between those two, I would go with the Mark IV. Perhaps if I were getting the amp ONLY for the death metal stuff I'd go with the ENGL, but the Mark will cover those tones and then some. I'd reccomend looking into some used F-series amps as well. I use an F-30 for pretty much everything I do. I've used it on jazz gigs, country gigs, classic rock gigs, metal gigs, and I use it for all my fusion endeavors as well. It's probably got the best clean channel I've ever heard. The high gain sounds are somewhere between the Mark series amps and the Rectifiers. Great for heavy rhythm stuff, but I still always use a tubescreamer in front of the amp for my leads just to smooth things out and boost my mids. I run an EQ in the loop every now and then for a bit more fine-tweaking, but I've never once felt like I needed to. The lower to mid gains sounds are really good and I've had a lot of luck getting bluesy/classic rock tones out of it, but of those two styles were my main thing I admit I'd probably go for something else. The only tone I really want that I can't quite get with the F30 is the lead tone from the Lonestar (think Andy Timmons :drool:). That's neither here nor there though as I'm sure the Lonestar isn't what you're looking for.

As for other amps to look into, I'd take a serious gander at those new Spider valve amps. I have this gut feeling that my hopes for that thing are way to high, but as good as they look on paper I really think they'll be worth checking out. Those would be WELL within your price range too if you're currently budgeting for a Powerball or a Mark IV. If you're into the used market at all, you could probably get yourself a triaxis, poweramp, and a decent cab as well. That's one of the most versatile rigs you can get and you'd probably even have some cash left over to put towards an effects unit and have yourself a good rack setup. The Road King, as J-dub mentioned, would be a pretty solid and versatile setup, but the rectifier tone might not be what you are looking for exactly....and the upkeep on those things is pretty intense. If you get bored one night, go onto the mesa boogie website and calculate how much a total re-tube of that amp would cost.

If you're planning on going with a head/cab setup, I reccomend saving some money and going with an Avatar cabinet instead of whatever brand the head is. Sure, the logos wont match, but those cabs sound fantastic and save you a ton of money. They do look pretty nice too.
 
It'd definately be worth checking out a Framus Cobra, that thing is a gain monster, and sounded much better than the ENGLs that I tried. Triamp rules, but wouldn't have enough gain for the Death Metal stuff I reckon...
 
It'd definately be worth checking out a Framus Cobra, that thing is a gain monster, and sounded much better than the ENGLs that I tried. Triamp rules, but wouldn't have enough gain for the Death Metal stuff I reckon...

OK I'll take this Pepsi Challenge! Oh the Triamp MkII has LOTS OF GAIN, the metal setting I have has the Gain at the 10 oclock position and the off position is at 7 oclock.

Here is my sample using a Evolution PU in my RG's
http://download.yousendit.com/B76956EE6AA9ADAC

and this one has a SD TB-6 and is double tracked (sorry for not playing in sync...)

http://download.yousendit.com/44311C996D453C3C
 
Man...If I had that kind of money to spend on an amp, I don't know how I'd chose. Way too many options. Is the Powerball Engl's highest gain amp? The Fireball looks nice as well. As a matter of fact, they all look nice.

All this chatter has got me jonesing for a new amp now...thanks a lot guys!...geez!
 
OK I'll take this Pepsi Challenge! Oh the Triamp MkII has LOTS OF GAIN, the metal setting I have has the Gain at the 10 oclock position and the off position is at 7 oclock.

Here is my sample using a Evolution PU in my RG's
http://download.yousendit.com/B76956EE6AA9ADAC

and this one has a SD TB-6 and is double tracked (sorry for not playing in sync...)

http://download.yousendit.com/44311C996D453C3C

hey, I'm a huge Triamp fan, and for prog-metal, I reckon it's perfect, I just don't reckon for the amount of money that they are, they'd be best for Death-metal...
 
/drool over H&K

Mesa is heavily overrated for clean tone, if you ever need that. I haven't played an Engl clean so I can't comment there. Overdriven both sound fantastic, albeit Mesa now has that trademark "Nickelback" sound to it since every shitty band on the planet is using PRS Guitars and Mesa heads.
 
/drool over H&K

Mesa is heavily overrated for clean tone, if you ever need that. I haven't played an Engl clean so I can't comment there. Overdriven both sound fantastic, albeit Mesa now has that trademark "Nickelback" sound to it since every shitty band on the planet is using PRS Guitars and Mesa heads.

:lol: Very true. I think I'm just going to wait and see what is around when I get the money for a new amp. If theres a powerball....ill get it. If theres a mesa...ill get it. haha
 
Musicians Friend actually recently started selling Engl amps. They completely ruined everyone's fun of shitting bricks when you see one on eBay.
 
Friend of mine that plays professionally has a VHT Pitbull throught a Marshall 4/12 with Vin 30's. It has Fender clean tone and stupid gain. He typically plays with the gain on 4. His sound for the varity of music they play is incredible, but he's experienced enough and patient enough to take the time to get the sound needed to closely reproduce the origional sound of the songs they are covering. His origional dropped C tuning stuff sounds sick as hell. I cant speak for the death metal sound because I dont know what really seperates it from other heavy metal. This dude is hard to please and Ive seen him change amps multiple times, some of that had to do with having more money, but he can walk into our areas largest music store and leave with what ever he wants to try for awhile, no questions asked. This VHT is the longest I have seen him keep an amp and its been a few years. Last time I talked to him he said he was getting tired of it :rolleyes:

Myself I cant see the money for some of these amps and would spend mine on a Carvin V3 4/12 vin 30 half stack.