new Angra:temple of shadows

I have to step and be both devil's advocate and lawyer for the defense.

Like IOS said, no Matos no Angra...or at least not the same. When Matos, Mariutti and Confessori left the band I thought, alright this is it :(

Then Angra was revamped and Shaman was created, so I thought alright we may get 2 out fo 1. And in a sense I did it, Angra "Rebirth" is a good album, very Euro power metal, but also very average, despise Edu's vocals which i believe are pretty good. Shaman on the other hand was very interesting stuff but not power enough IMO (maybe still a reminescence of Matos/Paeth collaboration in "Virgo").

In any case Angra has taken the lead and I thought that shows commitment and interest to carry on, working again with Dennis Ward (PC 69) also gave me confidence regarding the new album. And I like it, but still is very average. The band now tries to emulate more "Holy Land" but without Matos is out of their game, even with Kai Hansen, Hansi Kursch and Milton Nascimento (their best ace up the sleeve) the album fails to deliver such majesty as HL.

Positive things, the band hasn't sold out, hasn't turn into mallcore, and didn't abuse of the symphonic parts like many bands of today. They're still true to themselves.

So for me they're still holding on, I'll see what the future will bring in another 2 years (I suppose the normal gap between studio albums).
Also I'm curious about the product Shaman is supposedly recording right now. I was pretty dissapointed with "Ritualive" (basically "Ritual" played live plus a couple of tracks, sounds like the studio album overdubbed with applauses).

I'll advice to any non-hard fan to listen before purchase, I bought it blindly and it worked for me, as for others...
 
Have you guys heard this release? It's easily the best thing they've ever done. The song "The Temple Of Hate" destroys their entire catalogue with Andre Matos easily.

Andre Matos has never really done anything that worthwhile in my eyes, be it Shaman (gay), Angra (unrealized potential, until now), or Virgo (please, make it stop).
 
"Holy Land" is a rare masterpiece, and the lineup they have now is doomed to never make anything as good as "Holy Land" (which was mainly Matos' compositions". Beh i loved the 3 real Angra albums...i dont know what they are trying to do now, they lost all their inspiration
 
Are you kidding me? "Temple Of Shadows" is filled to the brim with new ideas, implemented awesomely with the riff and lead work. It's easily the best thing I've ever heard from the band.

Holy Land is overrated, some of the songs are just too long for their own good, and too much meandering takes place. Andre Matos is an annoying vocalist as well.
 
Ok i will listen it and i will see, but allow me to be very doubtfull since "Rebirth" was "another usual euro-power crap". And again i cant think that they will make something as good as their first 3. Ok forget "Holy Land" do you think that the new one is better than "Angels Cry"?
 
IOfTheStorm said:
Ok i will listen it and i will see, but allow me to be very doubtfull since "Rebirth" was "another usual euro-power crap". And again i cant think that they will make something as good as their first 3. Ok forget "Holy Land" do you think that the new one is better than "Angels Cry"?
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You haven't listened to it?? There's the problem.

I don't really like anything of theirs much except for this new one. I thought the first ones with Matos had great potential, but it wasn't reached. I thought Rebirth was Euro-Flower garbage. But this new one, for me it was like those first albums but with their potential fully realized, and everything perfectly in place. It's excellent, trust me.
 
Jean-Pierre said:
Have you guys heard this release? It's easily the best thing they've ever done. The song "The Temple Of Hate" destroys their entire catalogue with Andre Matos easily.

Andre Matos has never really done anything that worthwhile in my eyes, be it Shaman (gay), Angra (unrealized potential, until now), or Virgo (please, make it stop).
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I haven't heard the new album yet but I hear comments that it smokes bigtime.


And I agree with JP's comments on Andre Mateos. Except one revision overal:

HIS VOICE IS REALLY GAY.

Nothing he sings is interesting AT ALL.

Edu Falaschi is 1000% better for Angra.

Okay, thank you for letting me get that off my chest. I feel better now. :grin:
 
Walter_Langkowski said:
HIS VOICE IS REALLY GAY.

Nothing he sings is interesting AT ALL.

Edu Falaschi is 1000% better for Angra.
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Haha, TOTALLY AGREE.

Have you heard Angra's old Painkiller cover? "FASTA DAN A B000000000LET!"
 
I am pretty new to Angra. I love power metal but have waited awhile on this band. I just got Angels Cry (with the bonus EP) on Friday. Have not listened to it yet. My local store also has the new Temple of Shadows album which I want to pick up. I am familair with Holy Land (due to hearing it at my cousins) and I think its an awesome album.
 
Well, the point of this thread isn't how gay Matos sounds, it's that EVERYONE who likes Prog/Power should GET "Temple Of Shadows".
 
Well I have ALL Angra albums, ALL Shaman, "Virgo" and a lot of Euro power metal and I must say:

a) "Holy Land" is the best album they have done, end of subject.
b) Falaschi is good, but Matos is far more superior as a singer and composer.
c) "Temple Of Shadows" is good, but still nothing of the new line-up can top "Holy Land" or "Fireworks", maybe approach "Angels Cry".

One more thing, is there a way for people in forums to discuss their like/don't like points of view, without throwing gay in a sentence?
 
Wyvern said:
One more thing, is there a way for people in forums to discuss their like/don't like points of view, without throwing gay in a sentence?
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Is it that big of a deal? I use the word gay to describe music that sounds prissy or powerless, and I'm pretty sure that other people mean the same. It's not like I use it so literally, I mean, my favourite singer is gay (guess who:lol: ).

Edu is so much better than Matos that it hurts. Matos went from writing interesting compositions that went nowhere on Angra's albums to writing fruity euro-power/euro-rock that goes nowhere and sounds like Disney musicals. Edu's vocals are SO much more powerful. It was like replacing Joacim Cans with Bruce Dickinson, and now Angra have delivered the album they have had the potential to make.
 
Jean-Pierre said:
Is it that big of a deal? I use the word gay to describe music that sounds prissy or powerless, and I'm pretty sure that other people mean the same. It's not like I use it so literally, I mean, my favourite singer is gay (guess who:lol: ).

Edu is so much better than Matos that it hurts. Matos went from writing interesting compositions that went nowhere on Angra's albums to writing fruity euro-power/euro-rock that goes nowhere and sounds like Disney musicals. Edu's vocals are SO much more powerful. It was like replacing Joacim Cans with Bruce Dickinson, and now Angra have delivered the album they have had the potential to make.
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Well in that context Edu is much gayer than Matos IMO, and judging by the new Iron Maiden album versus Cans solo album, Maiden is gayer.

So you see, everything is in the eye of the beholder. Happy?
 
Wyvern said:
Well in that context Edu is much gayer than Matos IMO, and judging by the new Iron Maiden album versus Cans solo album, Maiden is gayer.

So you see, everything is in the eye of the beholder. Happy?
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I wasn't talking about new Maiden :p . The music on Cans solo album is great, but they can definitely use a different vocalist.

What do you mean "in that context" anyway? Edu may sound feminine, but at least he sounds like an excellent singer. Andre just sounded like...a brazilian gay bar dancer trying to imitate Geddy Lee.

The ear of the beholder, Wyvern, the ear. ;)
 
Jean-Pierre said:
I wasn't talking about new Maiden :p . The music on Cans solo album is great, but they can definitely use a different vocalist.
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I disagree. Hammerfall (which I have all their albums) is a good band, but Cans solo effort is way better and he's a good vocalist IMO, also check him in Warlord "Rising Out From The Ashes"

What do you mean "in that context" anyway? Edu may sound feminine, but at least he sounds like an excellent singer. Andre just sounded like...a brazilian gay bar dancer trying to imitate Geddy Lee.
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I mean using gay just as a word, not meaning the gay is actually homosexual, the way you use it (as far as I understood it).
Matos has a high register, so was Kiske, but nothing make me feel they are gay or sound gay. On the other hand if you want to use that freely, check the singer in Wonderland.
Want a better one? King Diamond falsetto is damn gay if we are going to use it this way (and for the KD fans don't even bother to flame me, I carry the KD "must learn to sing" banner to every forum :lol: )

The ear of the beholder, Wyvern, the ear. ;)
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Sorry I meant the nose of the beholder :grin:
 
Wyvern said:
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I can agree on KD being a horrible singer, because he is. His voice however, went perfect on the early Mercyful Fate albums and his earlier solo work.

I'm going to have to completely disagree with you about that Warlord album. Warlord are one of my favourites, and I feel Cans' presence on that album really hurt it, almost as much as the vocalist on Jag Panzer's Dissident Alliance album.
 
IOfTheStorm said:
Well ok i can "accept" Jean Pierre calling his voice gay, but you Walter you have .. Duncan Patterson's quotes (lyrics, whatever) in ur sig., anathema's singer is less gay ? hahaha
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:grin:


Well, you have to be able to spout off on your own opinions on these forums and be willing to hear other people flame your faves as well, so the best thing to do is remain calm. :Spin:


With that in mind, I have absolutely NO urge to hear a Heavy Metal Jon Anderson, so that is why I don't care for his voice. And it isn't so much the ranges that he goes up to, because I enjoy a good high-end singer as much as anyone else. Some of my faves are Bruce Dickinson, Rob Halford, and yes, even King Diamond (he's been covered on already, I just love it, sue me!)

It's just that Mateos has NO feel in his voice, no passion, nothing to grab you to make you interested in the singing. Because as we all can probably attest to, a lot of these Power/Speed Metal Euro bands sound very similar musically, it's when the singer kicks in where the distinctions really make a difference. Mateos, IMO, is just NOT suited for any sort of Metal singing. He would be better just singing ballad-esque stuff.


And IOTS, where do you get off calling Anathema gay?! :Spin:

Seriously though, they're not really Metal but they have some phenomenal stuff. They are like a beefed-up version of Pink Floyd with some slight alternative leanings here and there.

Vinnie Cavanaugh is undefinably a better, more interesting vocalist than Mateos can EVER be.

Kickin' in my $0.02.
 
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