oops, hi for SSL guys with their MADI, by the way, ssl's madi is not so expensive
Biggest improvement for PT HD is to be host based
Biggest improvement for PT HD is to be host based
New Pro Tools HD Interfaces
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Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
The Omni is where I'm most confused about their intentions.
It is $3k which doesn't seem like that much money for what it is, but, it's only $3k to someone who already has an HD Core card. Why does ANYBODY who already has an HD system need this unit? Whatever system they have now is already more powerful and even if they wanted to sell their 192 and downgrade, they wouldn't get any money out of the deal.
If someone is just getting in to HD, than the Omni is a $10,000 commitment because of the price of the HD card system that is necessary to go along with it. Now, at that price point, why would someone drop $10k on an Omni system when they could pick up a used HD2 system with a 192 for the same price or less?
I dunno, it's pretty baffling.
I don't see how introducing a mid level entry into HD that used Firewire or something hurts the current Pros using the DSP system. If you have a DSP based HD system, you obviously bought it because you wanted the advantages of DSP, so how does something being introduced with no DSP affect your purchase at all?
Seriously, HD Omni with Firewire that had say 18 i/o and only had the bare minimal DSP on board in the interface to use HD features like input monitoring and ADC for $3k would have been a huge game changer, and all the real HD guys wouldn't have been affected by it at all, because they would still have far more i/o options, TDM for zero latency plugins when tracking, etc.
Most pro studios are happy with their stable and reliable HD systems, they don't care about what new systems Avid releases because it would be a huge investment to have to switch over. That's why all of those guys are still running 7.4. Avid doesn't need to do anything to keep those guys happy because they are happy as it is without even upgrading to the newest version of the software, let alone reconfiguring their entire studio with another $20k worth of new Avid gear.
If anything, not touching the HD lineup at all is a better move because it says to the current HD owners, "HD is already the best in the world and you have already made that investment and have the best. We aren't going to continually release improved versions and make you bitter about your purchase while we try and convince you to take out another mortgage to upgrade to our new hardware."
Jarkko Mattheiszen
The FU guy.
I don't want the HD features for minimal cost. It's the fact that the HD cards are ancient technology. Give me HD native that costs ten grand or a PT|HD Firewire-interface that makes the the whole expansion card scheme obsolete and costs ten grand and I'll buy it.
TheDriller
Member
@ jval
Its more of a major fail that they're not really bringing anything new to the table and acting like its still 1997.
The pro market is collapsing rapidly, and the pros that remain are already doing fine with the 192s they shelled already out a fortune on.
I can't see the new unit actually sounding that much better that it will have the old guard queuing up to buy them.
the new stuff would be pretty attractive to the guys who have been GASing over a HD rig for the past while, but realistically what sort of market is that?
Its more of a major fail that they're not really bringing anything new to the table and acting like its still 1997.
The pro market is collapsing rapidly, and the pros that remain are already doing fine with the 192s they shelled already out a fortune on.
I can't see the new unit actually sounding that much better that it will have the old guard queuing up to buy them.
the new stuff would be pretty attractive to the guys who have been GASing over a HD rig for the past while, but realistically what sort of market is that?
I guess I can see how a mid-level setup like that would make sense for a lot of people. I'm not sure why they aren't doing it.
The fact is that half of Avid's market with PT is post production. Studios that have multiple, huge HD systems linked together... someone on GS was talking about how a lot of post studios might have an HD8 system dedicated solely to handling reverbs in a 5.1/7.1 mix setup. Maybe native systems are catching up (or some would argue have caught up) in the music would but it seems that in the post world, which is bigger than the music industry, the HD cards are definitely not "ancient technology".
anyways I guess that's a bit of a tangent... off to buy snow leopard...
The fact is that half of Avid's market with PT is post production. Studios that have multiple, huge HD systems linked together... someone on GS was talking about how a lot of post studios might have an HD8 system dedicated solely to handling reverbs in a 5.1/7.1 mix setup. Maybe native systems are catching up (or some would argue have caught up) in the music would but it seems that in the post world, which is bigger than the music industry, the HD cards are definitely not "ancient technology".
anyways I guess that's a bit of a tangent... off to buy snow leopard...
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
anyone wanna trade my PCI-X system plus a guitar or amp or so for his PCIe? 
I know. just being optimistic...cause I'm desperate
I know. just being optimistic...cause I'm desperate
superfreak
Sajid 'Sarj' Masood
abt
BT
As a PT user I probably shouldn't laugh.
tempe
Captain Midnight
Fucking facepalm. Looks like I'm using Logic forever, only thing that would have convinced me to make the switch is a even remotely native HD.
I thought I saw somewhere that more products were supposed to be announced this week? I may have misread something though.
I think the new interfaces are cool, especially the I/O and the MADI. The thing that would have made me go wow would have been if they had new core & accel cards to go along with the new interfaces. Give the users more power on one card. But that would be counter productive to their business model because people would not have to buy as many.
Oh Avid.
I think the new interfaces are cool, especially the I/O and the MADI. The thing that would have made me go wow would have been if they had new core & accel cards to go along with the new interfaces. Give the users more power on one card. But that would be counter productive to their business model because people would not have to buy as many.
Oh Avid.
AudioGeekZine
arsehole know-it-all
Apparently that's not all there is, just one part of it. Who knows when the rest will be unveiled. Tomorrow? Next week? Months from now?
The sweetwater dude that got fired this past week over this has a post on the duc and makes much more compelling arguments in favor of the new interfaces http://duc.digidesign.com/showthread.php?t=280209
The sweetwater dude that got fired this past week over this has a post on the duc and makes much more compelling arguments in favor of the new interfaces http://duc.digidesign.com/showthread.php?t=280209
Blacklight_Studio
Member
What are you all talking about? You all (almost all) live in the US. Don't you know a thing called EBAY? HD CORE cards are 1000$-1500$ of maximum there and 10 bucks for delivery. I live in Ukraine and all equipment I have in my studio was bought on ebay but it cost me extra 40% to deliver everything to this f*cking country. You all can get PT HD for 3000$-4000$ Is it too expensive for a pro standart? And logic users STFUP Your Mac PRO costs the same just to be able to load logic.
Lasse Lammert
HCAF Blitzkrieg
I doubt you're gonna find a PCIe Core Card for 1000$ eben on Ebay USA.
if that would be the case I'd just trade my PCIX for PCIe with no loss.
Blacklight_Studio
Member
You are right I was talking about PCI/X cards. But PCI-E are not SO much better performance wise.
BLUElightCory
Member
For what it's worth, it DOES look like there will be new cards coming - The interfaces all use a different-sized primary port and ship with an adapter cable to fit the current PTHD cards. Looks like the new cards will have a smaller port.
ahjteam
Anssi Tenhunen
When they quit the shit with LE and M-Powered as different products with just a different logo, it's one step better. Also I wouldn't repel the idea of ADC and input monitoring for LE...
These units aren't so much aimed at the smaller studio market. The new stuff has some KILLER features for broadcasters and networks. Avid also one-upped some pretty high end converters they compete with.
Long story short, it's for the high end market, and it's going to make some big waves there.
Long story short, it's for the high end market, and it's going to make some big waves there.
Aaron Smith
Envisage Audio
It sounds to me like the HEAT thing might be completely identical to the "Triode" and "Pentode" knobs on the Crane Song HEDD...
EDIT: Well, not "completely" identical, but essentially the same basic harmonic excitement in a slightly different control format.
EDIT: Well, not "completely" identical, but essentially the same basic harmonic excitement in a slightly different control format.
