New Pro Tools HD Interfaces
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AudioGeekZine
arsehole know-it-all
They're changed. The biggest thing is how low the latency is, it's ridiculously low.
dontletmedrown
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You realize that is the PRE and the SYNC, right? Pretty sure neither of those have anything to do with latency.
::XeS::
Member
What a Fail...
I think the "Leader", after 10 years, should do something better than the same interface with a different logo and a different color.
I know there are some shits news inside but......10 years???
Sonar supports 64bit since 2008...and PT (the leaders)? Reaper has lot of features and costs 60$....Protools HD costs 150x Reaper....for what?
I like PT very much (I use the m-powered) but at the moment these updates are ridicolous...really ridicolous.
I think the "Leader", after 10 years, should do something better than the same interface with a different logo and a different color.
I know there are some shits news inside but......10 years???
Sonar supports 64bit since 2008...and PT (the leaders)? Reaper has lot of features and costs 60$....Protools HD costs 150x Reaper....for what?
I like PT very much (I use the m-powered) but at the moment these updates are ridicolous...really ridicolous.
TheWinterSnow
Den Mørke Natt
Seems like Avid is trying to hand the ball over to the like of Apogee, which have better converters than the original HD and are cheaper (16 channels of ADC for 3K as opposed to 192's 8 (stock) channels for some 4K), to top that off you can get cards which are compatible with PT HD and any other DAW.
egan.
daylightdies.com
No offense, but what part of their new converters makes you think they are trying to hand the ball over on their converters? The MADI interface?
Also, your descriptions of the products and prices are wrong. Apogee is and has always been the more expensive route (assuming you are using the core cards).
TheWinterSnow
Den Mørke Natt
has nothing to do considering the features of the unit itself, but considering its just a mild upgrade to a 10 year old design, is not really trying to hard to stay on top of the market.
In terms of prices, current price for an AD-16x and DA-16x is 3100, (each one gets a full 16 channels native. The Digidesign 192 only came with 8 channels, was almost double the price of the 92 (which now sits at $2100) you had to add another dock to get those additional 8 channels in and then had to buy another dock to get the full 16 channels out as the 192 had an additional digital in dock and a blank one stock, each expansion dock was about 2k each. To get 16 channels in and 16 channels out for the 192 was near 9 grand alone, without the accel card. The AD/DA-16x coming in at 6200 and the 192 came in at almost 7000. Unfortunately getting prices now for them is hard as hell since they don't make them anymore. The Apogee firewire card, the one that can use most of todays DAWs is currently 355 and the HD card is 535. So you can get a fully functional 16 channels in and 16 channels out WITH the PCI card for 6700, because that is SO much more expensive than PT HD1 at 11,000.
Of course the MADI feature is great, but the real question is how much better is the quality on the new converters and are they better than the AD/DA-16x converters and IF they are, are they worth the price different + MADI?
egan.
daylightdies.com
Firstly you keep slipping in and out of ProTools HD land with your numbers. I made it pretty clear that I was talking about integrating apogee into an HD system and not a native system. Secondly, you forgot that the X-HD cards for an apogee run $500 each. Also, you've failed to realize that if you don't want the digital card in your 192 most vendors would let you just order it loaded with 16 channels of analog i/o. And then of course take into account the package discounts often offered. But don't take my word for it. Ask Murphy or any of the other guys who have actually made that purchase decision.
Thirdly, unless you've heard these how do you know the upgrade is minor?
TheWinterSnow
Den Mørke Natt
you just proved that you only read abut half of what I said. The only price that is not on the internet now is the expansion docks. Now as you said they can substitute an expander when you order one, but stock they come with only three, so they are going to charge you for the fourth if you want it.
So HD1 was 8,000, that got you 8 channels i/o (or 16 in and 8 out) and the X-HD (16 in and 16 out) setup was 6,700 not counting a core card or the HD software (can't seem to grab prices right now). But it comes across as while the Apogee setup for Pro Tools would be about the same price as any Pro Tools setup, the other Apogee setups for a native system is a static 6,500 not counting the price of the DAW. Even for possibly being a little bit more for HD and 2 grand cheaper on a native system, its still sad when the AD/DA-16x converters are claimed to be far superior to HDs converters, don't know how much of that is true, but I haven't heard anyone say otherwise.
I should add, when I mentioned Apogee in terms of being cheaper and/or better, I was referring the use of both native and HD, you seem to act like I was saying that Avid was handing the ball over to Apogee on the HD system.
The only thing release in the new HD system is smaller latency, MADI capability which will only really be used by big name producers, and the OMNI feature which is looking to be a more all in one for bottom line HD users so that home recording studios can get their feet wet with HD, but other than that, it seems nothing huge has changed, and if there were huge changes, don't you think Avid would have made a big deal about it when the new system was revealed.
You act like I am the first person in this thread to mention this, but look around, I am just the latest of many that have said avid failed. For being the industry standard, they should release a product which its quality and features are so much better than everything else out there, that it would be worth the pretty penny to pay extra for than the leading competitors.
::XeS::
Member
The point is that also if they will release new interfaces in the next days/months....it will be nothing new, because they already unveiled the "new" HD systems (so no native interfaces) and if they will present anything new it could be only a "new" shitty firewire interface like the 003...so nothing revolutionary.
I mean, they have already presented the new HD and that's all....no native systems for the next 10 years.
I mean, they have already presented the new HD and that's all....no native systems for the next 10 years.
AudioGeekZine
arsehole know-it-all
HD Native (as a product name) has already been leaked by Sweetwater.
A year ago I heard they were working on Mbox 3 line.
possibilities (aka speculation) -
USB 3 connection - way faster than what we have now
Firewwire 800 connection - way faster than what we have now
onboard dsp for delay compensation at the very least. (Eleven Rack has dsp remember)
PT HD features without the dsp cards
I would expect another announcement around the time of the next AES tradeshow.
A year ago I heard they were working on Mbox 3 line.
possibilities (aka speculation) -
USB 3 connection - way faster than what we have now
Firewwire 800 connection - way faster than what we have now
onboard dsp for delay compensation at the very least. (Eleven Rack has dsp remember)
PT HD features without the dsp cards
I would expect another announcement around the time of the next AES tradeshow.
SimonTaddio_Qc
Headbanger
Pro Tools HD, the misery of rich people.
Until I actually hear the new and the old HD interface A/Bd, I will just say they do look cooler than the blue/grey ones
Until I actually hear the new and the old HD interface A/Bd, I will just say they do look cooler than the blue/grey ones
egan.
daylightdies.com
Exactly. I'm hoping for HD native like many folks in this forum however it's pretty silly to write off these updates (as individual products) until you've heard them. The difference between the 96 and the 192 was remarkable even at 44.1. You just can't know until there's something to listen to.
crillemannen
Member
egan.
daylightdies.com
LOL.
So by this:
You meant: "Good native solutions can cost less than pro tools HD if you don't want to run pro tools HD."
Hahah. Yeah ok. I certainly concede that point but that isn't what you said no matter how many times you circle around it.
SimonTaddio_Qc
Headbanger
This is a quote from the article that started this thread:
Of course, I would like PT HD Native, too, but I've got to admit that, buisness-wise, I think they are quite right that it would not be their best move for LE and M-Powered. They are just grabbing us by the balls, and if we want to have a top of the line PT setup, we will just have to accept that it costs a small fortune.
Personally, I get around very well with LE, but like everyone else, I'd like a HD system if I could afford it, who wouldn't?
egan.
daylightdies.com
I think there is a position in the market between $2K and $10K though, don't ya think? I agree that there is risk to HD but if it's hardware locked like every other version of PT's it's hard to see it hurting the LE/MP market.
SimonTaddio_Qc
Headbanger
Obiviously, if it was to be like, around, say, 5k $ it would have something that's missing from the "real" HD, because it simply can't be as good, and way cheaper at the same time (technically, it probably can, but again...buisness speaks).
But yeah, I totally agree that there's a big empty gap in the interface market in that price range, made for the "professional home setup", if I may say.
As a fan of the PT software, tough, I hope for the day that PT X would be created and that we can use it with any interface of any freakin audio company. It's good to dream.
But yeah, I totally agree that there's a big empty gap in the interface market in that price range, made for the "professional home setup", if I may say.
As a fan of the PT software, tough, I hope for the day that PT X would be created and that we can use it with any interface of any freakin audio company. It's good to dream.
