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joeymusicguy

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selling software was a bad idea, started back when bill gates got pissed he was working so hard on stuff that people were just giving away

and now we buy HARDWARE that would do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING if the software didn't work...

times have changed

but one thing's for sure, software still doesn't work
:mad:
 
Computers have only been in serious consumer development for the last 25 years or so, in the grand scheme of things they are still emergent technology. Furthermore they are a technology that does not have a stable platform, either mechanically or conceptually. It is unreasonable to expect the kind of consistency people do from a technology in a constant state of flux.

I'm satisfied knowing that with good maintenance my computers will work most of the time and for everything else I have a good fault-tolerance scheme.


Also times haven't changed. Hardware and software are by definition symbiotic and always have been.

Hardware doesn't work without the software, software doesn't work without the hardware.

More conceptually speaking, purpose feeds invention as much as invention feeds purpose.
 
Bekanor said:
Computers have only been in serious consumer development for the last 25 years or so, in the grand scheme of things they are still emergent technology. Furthermore they are a technology that does not have a stable platform, either mechanically or conceptually. It is unreasonable to expect the kind of consistency people do from a technology in a constant state of flux.

I'm satisfied knowing that with good maintenance my computers will work most of the time and for everything else I have a good fault-tolerance scheme.
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Ooh, I smell wisdom.

+1
 
software will never work properly because every time a strip of code is written some other software or hardware disagrees with it. thats why i chose to use a mac, although its not perfect its OS is designed around hardware that is picked to work specifically for the OS. when you start branching off into using secondary systems you start to run into problems.

ideally we will see stable software the day example apple designs their own processor, motherboard, gpu, sound card, hard drive - every single component must be designed to work in unison with each other - the way it is today is that hardware is built to work generically with lots of other hardware and software. all that extraness causes problems

thats what i think
 
More like 'give it till it's cracked'. See how many of the consumer base are loyal enough to shell out that much when it can be had for free.

I mean on some level I understand. It's the same algorithms that are in the PCM96 hardware, and you're getting as many instances as your computer can run. From a pure functionality point of view, you're getting a comparative bargain.
 
Ermz said:
More like 'give it till it's cracked'. See how many of the consumer base are loyal enough to shell out that much when it can be had for free.

I mean on some level I understand. It's the same algorithms that are in the PCM96 hardware, and you're getting as many instances as your computer can run. From a pure functionality point of view, you're getting a comparative bargain.
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Well if you're like me, you could care less about what is cracked and not cracked...

I mean, I've got band dudes coming in all the time, talking about "trading" plugins with each other, pirated / cracked of course. Anytime someone mentions one of these to me, my first question is how much does it cost, and my next question is how many formats does it run on. I know that if my whole house blew up, I'd still have my ilok account, and could still install the software that makes my job even possible... I don't have to worry about if the crack team cracked the all important update that came out last week, or if the cracked version is stable...

but its the same argument we always hear... and probably won't change. My main point is, functionality over cost.
And i feel that "free warez" won't get you that.

On another note though: I just paid like 500 dollars for this keyboard, and it does not do what its advertised to do. The reason why it doesn't, is because the software that its designed to work with, isn't supported yet....

It really makes you think, ok what's the point in even having any of this shit when it constantly and consistently fails in so many aspects...
 
Just a note: I'm not advocating the use of cracked plug-ins. Just curious to see how much business they manage to retain on that plug-in set if it were to become freely available. I have the same issue with band dudes. Half the time they're asking for plug-ins from me. But in all honesty I have more trust in the integrity of cracking teams than PACE. You'd still be going through a clustershit trying to get those licenses back, and proving your iLok was actually destroyed. The cracked plugs would just install, no questions asked.

I do feel the pain about software incompatibility. The problem is that when the planets align and there is a generation that finally DOES get it right and has a stable set of systems, a new gen is just around the corner to unbalance all of it.
 
Ermz said:
Just a note: I'm not advocating the use of cracked plug-ins. Just curious to see how much business they manage to retain on that plug-in set if it were to become freely available. I have the same issue with band dudes. Half the time they're asking for plug-ins from me. But in all honesty I have more trust in the integrity of cracking teams than PACE. You'd still be going through a clustershit trying to get those licenses back, and proving your iLok was actually destroyed. The cracked plugs would just install, no questions asked.

I do feel the pain about software incompatibility. The problem is that when the planets align and there is a generation that finally DOES get it right and has a stable set of systems, a new gen is just around the corner to unbalance all of it.
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in the grand scheme, very true

i'm just finding it so hard to understand when a house hold name such as m-audio releases a product that says "control pro tools 8 with hyper control right out of the box", and then read on their forums "hyper control is not supported on pro tools 8 at this time"

and its not just that...

there are these compatibility problems all over the world, in all systems, specifically designed for compatibility...

there was about a period of 6 months where if you graduated college, and decided to start a recording studio business with all new equipment, it would have been impossible... here's why/how:

1. buy the newest mac pro at that time
2. newest mac pro comes with snow leopard 10.6.1 installed, with no option to go backwards in OS version
3. pro tools 8 is out, but isnt supported on snow leopard
4. call applecare (which you paid for) and try to come up with a way to use the products you paid for... no solution except to try a 10.5 install
5. 10.5 install doesnt work because software doesnt understand new hardware

so you can see how this is a little bit uncomfortable to think that someone with knowledge, money, and time can still be set back with impossible situations... there are some people that don't like to buy used gear (my self included)... and in those situations, you just run into infinite loop of waiting until your gear is as old as used gear before it even fucking works.
 
joeymusicguy said:
in the grand scheme, very true

i'm just finding it so hard to understand when a house hold name such as m-audio releases a product that says "control pro tools 8 with hyper control right out of the box", and then read on their forums "hyper control is not supported on pro tools 8 at this time"

and its not just that...

there are these compatibility problems all over the world, in all systems, specifically designed for compatibility...

there was about a period of 6 months where if you graduated college, and decided to start a recording studio business with all new equipment, it would have been impossible... here's why/how:

1. buy the newest mac pro at that time
2. newest mac pro comes with snow leopard 10.6.1 installed, with no option to go backwards in OS version
3. pro tools 8 is out, but isnt supported on snow leopard
4. call applecare (which you paid for) and try to come up with a way to use the products you paid for... no solution except to try a 10.5 install
5. 10.5 install doesnt work because software doesnt understand new hardware

so you can see how this is a little bit uncomfortable to think that someone with knowledge, money, and time can still be set back with impossible situations... there are some people that don't like to buy used gear (my self included)... and in those situations, you just run into infinite loop of waiting until your gear is as old as used gear before it even fucking works.
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Those situations are just plain unacceptable. I don't want to turn this into a platform war, so please don't take it as such, but I don't ever recall a similar period on PC. You always have the option of rolling back your OS, software or whatever. Whether or not compatibility is ever great though is another matter altogether.

Most guys in this industry don't mind buying used, given the street prices of the gear we use. I imagine you have more disposable income than most Joey, hence the luxury to buy new gear. Heck, I think we'd all buy everything new if we could, but it's just not practical for us.

Oddly enough it's refusal to change that can also create problems. We're currently in some weird void in between 32 and 64-bit processing. CPUs have supported it for years, the operating systems now support it (yet don't enforce it), yet most plug-ins are still written for 32-bit, so if we actually want a decent amount of RAM to use today's VSTi samplers, we have to deal with plug-in bridges that suck CPU power and just create needless extra stages in our work.

The industry is a big mess, and will continue to be as such until they're able to come to some agreement about standards and how to implement them effectively so users don't experience significant down time.
 
....and I´m affraid too.

Logic 9 and snow leopard is comming tomorrow (hopefully UPS doesnt take a long launch break:) )
I only have time to install it not to play around (because collage-exams)
Then the next projects are knocking at my door....so this must work out.
I need the drum editing stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Ermz said:
Oddly enough it's refusal to change that can also create problems. We're currently in some weird void in between 32 and 64-bit processing. CPUs have supported it for years, the operating systems now support it (yet don't enforce it), yet most plug-ins are still written for 32-bit, so if we actually want a decent amount of RAM to use today's VSTi samplers, we have to deal with plug-in bridges that suck CPU power and just create needless extra stages in our work.
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This really pissed me off when I installed and ran everything on my 64bit machine for the first time.
Seriously, you buy everything with the newest technology and then you are damned because of a million compability issues etc.
 
gabriel g. said:
....and I´m affraid too.

Logic 9 and snow leopard is comming tomorrow (hopefully UPS doesnt take a long launch break:) )
I only have time to install it not to play around (because collage-exams)
Then the next projects are knocking at my door....so this must work out.
I need the drum editing stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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9.1 came out recently
that fixes a lot of initial bugs

i will say, you have compatibility on your side going logic + mac

the same company designs both
 
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