ok so Eowyn needs to be my girlfriend
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Apparently some other company has the rights to The Hobbit, so New Line would have to work out a deal with them in order to make it.Ominous Luminous said:
Peter Jackson said he would love to do it.
Demonspell
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i saw LOTR on saturday and yes, it ruled. but i don't think it was the best of the three movies. i can't say for sure, because the film was so entirely different from the book (much moreso than the others) that i think i might be biased against it.
but i think the major differences were simply cut scenes and will be on the DVD, so, that's cool. the lack of the Scouring of the Shire was actually not bad at all, and Jackson managed to iterate the "you can't go home again" theme in Frodo, at least, very well.
things like cutting Gandalf's defeat at the hands of the Witch-King and Saruman's final scene were annoying, but the movie still rolled on. but the removal of the Mouth of Sauron was unconscionable because it utterly reversed the meaning of one of the most dramatic scenes in the entire six-book series. that whole final battle is supposed to be fought in utter despair, a total "we've already lost, the Ring is back in Sauron's hands, so let's just die against these orc blades" attitude...instead, it comes across as a diversionary tactic, like, "let's give frodo as much time as possible! to arms, my friends!" gah.
i was worried that Jackson was going to downplay the Frodo-dies part at the end, but amazingly, he didn't! in fact, with an earlier conversation between Gandalf and Pippin (or was it Merry?) about death and the Grey Ship, he actually emphasized it!
rad.
but i think the major differences were simply cut scenes and will be on the DVD, so, that's cool. the lack of the Scouring of the Shire was actually not bad at all, and Jackson managed to iterate the "you can't go home again" theme in Frodo, at least, very well.
things like cutting Gandalf's defeat at the hands of the Witch-King and Saruman's final scene were annoying, but the movie still rolled on. but the removal of the Mouth of Sauron was unconscionable because it utterly reversed the meaning of one of the most dramatic scenes in the entire six-book series. that whole final battle is supposed to be fought in utter despair, a total "we've already lost, the Ring is back in Sauron's hands, so let's just die against these orc blades" attitude...instead, it comes across as a diversionary tactic, like, "let's give frodo as much time as possible! to arms, my friends!" gah.
i was worried that Jackson was going to downplay the Frodo-dies part at the end, but amazingly, he didn't! in fact, with an earlier conversation between Gandalf and Pippin (or was it Merry?) about death and the Grey Ship, he actually emphasized it!
rad.
Firedwarf
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I think onering.net has an actor listed for the Mouth of Sauron, so it WILL be in the EE. I think. I hope.
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I JERK OFF TO ARCTOPUS
oh, it definitely will be--i've seen screenshots of it, and the actor is pretty famous. further cementing the fact that the actual Platonic ideal of the movies are the DVD versions, and they're not just bells-and-whistles "extras" things.
i think i need to see the movie again now that i know what IS in the movie. i can't really choose which of the three movies is the best because it feels to me like one big movie and i agree with alex that even with the changes in the ending the main points of the books were still there and overall i think peter jackson stayed true to the emotion and heart that i experienced while reading the book so the changes overall don't bother me.
avi
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oh man I cannot wait to see this. I fucking hate going to the multiplex and being surrounded by teenagers, but you gotta do what you gotta do. I saw the previous two on vacation in small towns up north. gotta love the $4.75 friday night showing - that ain't gonna happen in the city.
this isn't a plot spoiler but the song that Pippin sings to Denethor was really awesome as was the song Aragorn sung and the cool part is that they were actually sung by the actors who played them. I actually think i will buy the soundtrack if only just for those two songs.
AndICried
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Firedwarf
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Aragorn's CoronationFiredwarf said:
Melody by Viggo Mortensen
Words by J.R.R. Tolkien
ps. i bought the soundtrack over lunch today. Unfortunately, they don't isolate the songs by Pippin and Aragorn, they are just part of the suite's for specific parts of the movie.
i mean howard shore's score is pretty unremarkable to me for the most part but i really like cool vocal melodies and shit which is why i have the first soundtrack because of the Enya song which i do in fact like alot(let the flames begin) and that is the reason i got this one for the songs and also for the choir stuff which i thought sounded really awesome in the movie. oh and i like Shore's "Shire" themes.
i really need to go back and focus on them. i am not in any way saying it is a bad soundtrack. in fact, if i am not really noticing the music as it is blending with the movie that well, then i would say it actually is doing an amazing job.
actually i used to get in arguments with a roomate about it because he hated the soundtrack and i think maybe some people give howard shore too much shit for his work because ithey think it sounds too much like a "hollywood" soundtrack but i think he really does a good job all things considered.
again the thing i love most is his vocal work because i love the choirs and the way he actually brings the elvish words into the lyrics.
music is a huge part of the books for me and i think they really are trying to stay true to the tolkien vision in all aspects of the movie.
actually i used to get in arguments with a roomate about it because he hated the soundtrack and i think maybe some people give howard shore too much shit for his work because ithey think it sounds too much like a "hollywood" soundtrack but i think he really does a good job all things considered.
again the thing i love most is his vocal work because i love the choirs and the way he actually brings the elvish words into the lyrics.
music is a huge part of the books for me and i think they really are trying to stay true to the tolkien vision in all aspects of the movie.
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I JERK OFF TO ARCTOPUS
yeah, the musical parts of the book are usually overlooked, but they really firmly cement the story in the classical tradition of myth, so incorporating them was wonderful.
a friend of mine made what i thought was a really good point about the films. because real English myth was completely lost and annihilated with the Norman invasion, the books were written (so said Tolkien) in order to try to sort of create a truly English myth that would hopefully last forever.
when they filmed the movies, they included people from every Anglosphere country--in fact, the major actors came from every Anglosphere country (except for Canada, ha ha). in a way, more than the books, the films finally seal the myth of the Lord of the Rings as a permanent part of anglophone culture, forevermore. as much internecine squabbling as their is, the Anglosphere countries really do share a single general monoculture. my friend said that nothing in the films really touched him deeply emotionally/brought a tear to his eye except when he thought of that aspect of it, which is honestly unmatched by any other work of art i can think of.
so, yeah. that's the myth our culture's going to be remembered for--our Hercules, if you will. enjoy it!
a friend of mine made what i thought was a really good point about the films. because real English myth was completely lost and annihilated with the Norman invasion, the books were written (so said Tolkien) in order to try to sort of create a truly English myth that would hopefully last forever.
when they filmed the movies, they included people from every Anglosphere country--in fact, the major actors came from every Anglosphere country (except for Canada, ha ha). in a way, more than the books, the films finally seal the myth of the Lord of the Rings as a permanent part of anglophone culture, forevermore. as much internecine squabbling as their is, the Anglosphere countries really do share a single general monoculture. my friend said that nothing in the films really touched him deeply emotionally/brought a tear to his eye except when he thought of that aspect of it, which is honestly unmatched by any other work of art i can think of.
so, yeah. that's the myth our culture's going to be remembered for--our Hercules, if you will. enjoy it!
Demonspell
cheating the polygraph
Music is indeed crucial to Tolkien's universe, not just in the songs of the Shire but also in the Music of the Ainur and other passages...I just read an article that revealed that Viggo insisted that he have the opportunity to sing in Elvish.
