ORANGE PPC4X12 Speaker Cabinet : First impression = buyers remorse
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Exactly what I was thinking. Shouldn't need to have any boost in the loop to get good low end from that cab.
Orange cabs are alright theres way to much hype behind them the tones dark and flat i also find theres a bit of a scoop in the bass frequencies and its not that open but not in a tight way in a stale way compared to my recto cab tried it out with like 4-5 diffrent amps side by side
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Trevoire520
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Joematthews
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that's what I was thinking.
462studio
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I'll probably get some shit for this...but...
In my experience, if the cabinet sounds good to you while standing in front of it, it's going to sound like complete ass when you record it.
I've NEVER had a sound I 'liked' when standing in front of the cab translate into a recorded tone I was pleased with.
Just saying.
In my experience, if the cabinet sounds good to you while standing in front of it, it's going to sound like complete ass when you record it.
I've NEVER had a sound I 'liked' when standing in front of the cab translate into a recorded tone I was pleased with.
Just saying.
JeffTD
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^^ Nah, you just probably haven't gotten your ears adjusted to liking a sound in the room that will sound good recorded. Took me a good bit to adjust from live/band playing to mixing in that aspect; now the two are synched up and my live sound has never been better 
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462studio
462 Studio
^^ Nah, you just probably haven't gotten your ears adjusted to liking a sound in the room that will sound good recorded. Took me a good bit to adjust from live/band playing to mixing in that aspect; now the two are synched up and my live sound has never been better
Entirely fair and possible. I've played in bands here and there, but for the vast majority of my career as a guitarist, I've been a studio musician.
I MUCH prefer playing guitar through a miked amp and listening on monitors.
I'd love to, but haven't had the opportunity yet... Even if I did, my recording gear isn't all that great... SM57-> Art Pre (with or without)-> M-Audio Fast Track Pro-> Cubase
Sorry man! Didn't mean to rain on your parade! maybe it works for you, but not for me yet. I was a an Orange fanboy until a day ago
But maybe what works for you doesn't for me.What's your setup with an Orange? What do you play? Have you ever A/B'd with other cabs?
I had V30's in a 2x12, and although I didn't like that cab either, it didn't crush the low end and didn't sound very midrangy.
Maybe I do need to learn to dial in my tone better with this cab but I find myself fighting it. I've tried compensating with EQs for hours. Like I said, I built my tone from the ground up. I ditched my settings I turned all my knobs to zero and started from scratch.
Possible, but I haven't had the opportunity to record anything yet, and I don't have really good gear.
The thing is, from other reviews I notice people saying how the Orange was their "favorite cab in the room" but not recorded. Might be a question of different strokes for different folks though or just the fact that our ears are all blown differently
I hear what you are saying, so here are my settings:
Typically, it's
Bass=6
Resonance=4
7 band BOSS EQ pedal in FX loop (on Marshall 1960A)= +1 to +1.5 on the lowest frequency.
If it conflicts with the bass, I can always cut the EQ just a tad.
On the Orange I have to everything up more.
If it's dull, how can you love it? Please explain.
Mine isn't really boomy in comparison to my 1960A at all.
Sounds like my experience, but I don't have much experience working with guitar, and I've never had a good experience except for maybe once. This "translation" thing drives me nuts. You sit there and make something sound great outta the cab, just to find it doesn't sound good recorded.
In this case, I believe by doing it that way and working on the sound that way, you have a clearer picture of the end result.
That's plenty adequate for getting a good recorded tone. I own a Fast Track Pro and don't really have any issues getting good mic'd tones running a 57 into the built-in preamp.
Thanks for that. Seems the orange would cut a little bit more. Same or different amp/eq setting? I wonder how they'd sound together...
Also, what's the setup? And did you reamp or do it separately?
The differences between the cabs in the room are much more severe for me though; although, I haven't had a chance to record them both yet.
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It's the v30's. They take a loooooong time to break in and until then they will sound like total ass. Definitely try the G12k75's in there and see how you like it. Personally I just plain hate v30's, even after they are broken in. But the good thing is lots of people love them, so you could always sell them and get a different set of speakers with the money.
Josh Burgess
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It really depends on the specific cab. I am really pleased with how the Mesa mics up. With other cabs you always have to kinda search around for a sweet spot and/or dial the settings to try to help out the mic toned (ignoring the room sound), but with the Mesa I think it's pretty easy. Get it sounding good in the room first, and then getting a good mic'd tone is really easy.
drew_drummer
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Tell you what... you guys make me want to buy a Mesa OS that's for sure!!
But they're fucking expensive in the UK. Almost a grand!
But they're fucking expensive in the UK. Almost a grand!
462studio
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I find the Mesa 4x12 really easy to record as well, it's my primary cabinet. I'm still never pleased with it in the room though.
Edit: And I'm very happy with my recorded tones.
I feel like it's a chase for the Yetti. You get your gear sounding great in the room, then it's back to square one when you stick a 57 in front of it.
On top of it, you get a great sound by itself in the room, and then you find yourself having to double track L and R just to get it sounding as thick... And THEN, you have to decrease your preamp gain just a tad for the recording or else the double tracked sound gets noisy/fuzzy. It's just wanna doze things that make you go "who's palyin' tirckz on meh?"
On the other hand, you get a great tone in the booth, but then when you go into the room, the tone is even that much better which pisses you off, or your tone sounds like butt and you gotta rework it for live purposes... and then, you'll always have the chance of it sound better or worse through the main PA because it is mic'd and it's a totally different animal.
Anyhow... enough bitching... going to go play through this thing s'more and switch out the speakers just to see what happens... if I have time and can do it before the lady gets home and tells me to cut out the racket
RESULTS: DAY 2
-no recordings yet so... yeah..
BUT! - I did a GT12-75 and V30 X-Pattern configuration ala Bogner Uberkab....
AND IT IMMEDIATELY SOUNDS MUCH BETTER IN THE ROOM.
My thinking is that maybe the V30 to most sounds great recorded, but the GT12-75 to me sounds more "Hi-Fi" as far as "scooped" etc.
So this gives me the best of both worlds... Slightly less boomy bass, clarity and "open-ness" of the 75's + other characteristics of the V30's in the room, and a choice of which to mic. I think maybe a bit of the bass from the 75's might get in the mix, but hopefully it won't be overpowering, and I can always cut some EQ if I have to.
What I also found is that this mellowed out the 75's ice picks because now there are only 2 instead of four.
The only fear I have is getting super used to the sound, and then having to double mic and worry about annoying phasing issues all the time which is its own can of worms.
NEXT TEST: I will now put the spare V30's from the Orange in the 1960A and see what happens.
BTW, here is a comparison of G12T-75 vs V30 on gearslutz (I know these shootouts are subjective, but the GT12-75's in these clips aren't bad...) :::
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/gear...346716-celestion-g12t75-vs-celestion-v30.html
-no recordings yet so... yeah..
BUT! - I did a GT12-75 and V30 X-Pattern configuration ala Bogner Uberkab....
AND IT IMMEDIATELY SOUNDS MUCH BETTER IN THE ROOM.
My thinking is that maybe the V30 to most sounds great recorded, but the GT12-75 to me sounds more "Hi-Fi" as far as "scooped" etc.
So this gives me the best of both worlds... Slightly less boomy bass, clarity and "open-ness" of the 75's + other characteristics of the V30's in the room, and a choice of which to mic. I think maybe a bit of the bass from the 75's might get in the mix, but hopefully it won't be overpowering, and I can always cut some EQ if I have to.
What I also found is that this mellowed out the 75's ice picks because now there are only 2 instead of four
.The only fear I have is getting super used to the sound, and then having to double mic and worry about annoying phasing issues all the time which is its own can of worms.
NEXT TEST: I will now put the spare V30's from the Orange in the 1960A and see what happens.
BTW, here is a comparison of G12T-75 vs V30 on gearslutz (I know these shootouts are subjective, but the GT12-75's in these clips aren't bad...) :::
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/gear...346716-celestion-g12t75-vs-celestion-v30.html
Eduardo Apolonia
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Just a stupid question (or not ):
You have your amp at 16Ohms right?
This cab is 16 Ohms.
Just to make sure you are aware of that
Anyway, this cab with V30s is darker, less forward than a Mesa, Marshall, Diezel, Mills...
But has a great low end although the amp working at 16Ohms isn't so tight as at 8Ohms.
):You have your amp at 16Ohms right?
This cab is 16 Ohms.
Just to make sure you are aware of that
Anyway, this cab with V30s is darker, less forward than a Mesa, Marshall, Diezel, Mills...
But has a great low end although the amp working at 16Ohms isn't so tight as at 8Ohms.
Just a stupid question (or not
You have your amp at 16Ohms right?
This cab is 16 Ohms.
Just to make sure you are aware of that
Anyway, this cab with V30s is darker, less forward than a Mesa, Marshall, Diezel, Mills...
But has a great low end although the amp working at 16Ohms isn't so tight as at 8Ohms.
Yes. 16 ohms.
Woah... nice gear at that link! Fala Portugues?
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