"Thrash" refers to bands like D.R.I., Cryptic Slaughter and early C.O.C. Megadeth, Metallica et al. were speed metal bands.
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OfManAndMetal said:
Calm down, I said "practically" pop. Their song structures are pop-ish, as well as the fact they're up there with Metallica as most-known Metal bands. Therefore they are a part of pop culture.
It's not a necessarily bad thing. I like some Megadeth...
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Dodens Grav said:
ANUS is correct in its usage in this case (as it is often not in the case of grindcore and doom metal). "Thrash" referred to a hybrid form of hardcore that emerged in the early 80s (their are lexical clues built into the term; "thrash" refers to the skateboard subculture which spawned this music, also called "skatepunk"). The labels and music mags latched onto the term and started applying it to the far more numerous speed metal bands because it was a more marketable term. All the dopey metal kids, who never heard any of the original "thrash" bands until '86 or later, thought the term originated in the speed metal scene. It didn't and speed metal bands like Metallica, Megadeth and Slayer are not, properly speaking, thrash bands, no matter how widespread the incorrect usage is. The situation is analogous to one that arose in the late 80s and early 90s, when "death metal" and "grindcore" were being used interchangably by the press, the labels and even some of the bands. That situation sorted itself out, as "death metal" was a strong enough in marketing terms to survive on its own, allowing "grindcore" to return to its original meaning.
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MadeInNewJersey said:
A lot of metalheads have problems with nomenclature. It's how you end up with "death metal" bands like In Flames and "black metal" bands like Cradle of Filth. It comes from not really knowing the historical background of the music they listen to.
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I didn't say anything about the origins of the terms. But the fact that Thrash Metal is now recognized as Sodom, Kreator, Exumer, etc., and Speed Metal is early Helloween, Exciter, etc., and that the terms were used interchangeably throughout the 80s, and lastly that both terms are entirely arbitrary and don't exactly reflect the music anyway, it's rather pointless to stand your ground on this issue.
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Laeth MacLaurie said:
I know my history you pretentious fuck, I've been listening to metal for at least as long, if not ridiculously longer than you.
Dodens Grav said:
Irrelevant. Terms popularly used incorrectly are still incorrect. Repeating falsehood doesn't make it true. Using "thrash" to refer to those bands is simply ignorant, and justifying yourself by the crowd's ignorance doesn't make you any less ignorant. It just makes you a dupe of the fags who run the labels and the 'zines.
MadeInNewJersey said:
And yet something as simple as the distinction between a genre of metal and an offshoot of hardcore eludes you. Idiot.
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Thrash isn't an offshoot of hardcore, you fucking dolt. I don't care how many words you type or how smart you think you are.
Thrash is quite simply a combination of late '70s British punk and sped up NWOBHM. Period.
Thrash is quite simply a combination of late '70s British punk and sped up NWOBHM. Period.
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Laeth MacLaurie said:
Just because a few skateboarding rebel morons named an offshoot of hardcore as "thrash" doesn't mean metalheads can't apply that name to something (not even very) different, and not entirely unrelated. sure, "thrash" may have come from the skateboarders' lexicon, but what does that really matter in the end?
Language is symbolic, symbology is subjective, and you're a moron.
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What a shite thread. RIP and Appetite mentioned in the first few posts. Not worth even reading the rest, what a joke.
Demilich said:
Nor does it make the metalheads correct in doing so.
Here you display an ignorance of the difference between "subjectivity" and "relativity." Language is "relative," in the sense that its meaning is not absolutely fixed, but rather determined by its relative position in the structure of a given discourse. It isn't "subjective" in the sense that I would be just as correct to call a blue sky "fuschia" or speed metal "thrash" according to my own whims as the subject.
MadeInNewJersey said:
No, that's "speed metal" (or, at least SOME speed metal, a lot of speed metal drew its primary non-metal influences from 80s American hardcore and 80s Brit anarchopunk).
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