I'll agree w/ you on that aspect, that Pain reaches a wider audience. Why? industrial music was/is big for quite some time, the vocals are clean (Peter's are), & the music is definitely "fit" for what the radio will play in terms of melody. Yeah, I can definitely see your point there Supernova! What sucks for Hypocrisy (in terms of commerciality) is that the music is either too heavy, or the vocals are a turn off for people. But hey, we don't care right?! We play our own stuff & Pete doesn't care! If the man himself doesn't want to bow down to the corporate pigs that try to hypnotize us, than that's a good thing! I like some commercial music too, but I like what I like; I'm not gonna listen to some DJ that tries to shove something down my throat saying what band is the "next best thing," then a few weeks later listen to that same DJ say the same about another shitty band! :Spin: