panic disorder

[timislegend]

hi everyone,

i'm tim! ...i'm new to this forum. actually i am completely new to metal and it's sub genres.

recently i have been listening to some hardcore/grind stuff; destroy all operating systems, daughters, gaza, tera melos. but i also like the poppier stuff too... like; the chariot, psyopus, converge, glassjaw etc.

i grew-up listening to stuff like; vanilla fudge, bad brains, the yardbirds and naked city. so metal has always been in my blood... i just feel like a lot of the newer metal stuff today sounds very similar (maybe i'm wrong)... so if you've heard one, you've heard them all.


weird topic:
i was just curious to know if anyone else out here suffers from panic disorder?

this is something i have lived with (non-medicated) for almost eight years.

i'm really not looking for sympathy, just understanding. if there is anyone out there that is more experienced with this affliction and you use remedies that don't involve drugs... please, help a brother out! :zombie:

anxiety can be one of the most debilitating sensations ever felt... imo


thanks for listening, y'all!

 

[Harry Hughes]

Dude, Converge and Glassjaw fucking rule.
It's not like everyone here listens to metal non stop all day.
I love indie, post hardcore, post rock, some pop punk/pop rock and what not.
You'll fit in fine here.

Anyway, I have Social Phobia Disorder and Generalized Anxiety Disorder.
The latter, I've really got almost under control, but I still struggle a little with the former.
And while obviously it's not the same thing as Panic Disorder per se, but I've experienced panic attacks before so I can relate to your experiences.
I'm not gonna kiss your ass and say "IT'S GONNA BE OKAY BUDDY", because well, for the first few months of trying to improve the situation, it's not gonna be "okay" and it wont be easy at all.

Seeing a psych was the first big step that helped me.
Exercise and diet are CRUCIAL to managing anxiety problems too. Stop eating and drinking complete crap if you do.
Start bodybuilding, seriously.
It will improve your self esteem, improve your physical health x1000000 and with the improved confidence you wont feel so self conscious and awkward in public anymore.
Stop drinking alcohol if you do too.

 

[ratsapprentice]

Seeing a psych was the first big step that helped me.
Exercise and diet are CRUCIAL to managing anxiety problems too. Stop eating and drinking complete crap if you do.
Start bodybuilding, seriously.
It will improve your self esteem, improve your physical health x1000000 and with the improved confidence you wont feel so self conscious and awkward in public anymore.

This. Not necessarily bodybuilding per se, but lifting in general.

 

[Harry Hughes]

This. Not necessarily bodybuilding per se, but lifting in general.

Sure, but it's body building that gives you the muscle mass.
Power lifting gets you far more strength, but it's all about "looking" strong.
So body building wins

 

[Line666]

Tim, I can't help here, but I have to say you bear a passing resemblance to Colin Farrell in that picture.

 

[ratsapprentice]

It's whatever you prefer. They are both things that you can actually measure, so the fact that you can say i have undeniably achieved "this" in the last six months is what gives you confidence.

 

[hoehlentroll]

i'm really not looking for sympathy, just understanding. if there is anyone out there that is more experienced with this affliction and you use remedies that don't involve drugs...

Hi, welcome to the show. I'm studying behavioral therapy and I don't think this is a good place to work on the problem. You should search for a BEHAVIORAL therapist in your region. Though I cannot help you per se, I could try to get you in the right directions though.
Successful methods seem to be the cognitive-behavioral therapy which means getting to know your problem and get another point of view in terms of the disorder. Next would be flooding or exposure therapies. Studies say an anxiety attack lasts about 15 min. If you expose yourself towards the anxiety inducting problem for longer you get a kinda get-used-to-effect (sorry I'm not a native english speaker).
Those two therapies seem to be the gold standard at the moment.
Why are you against drugs anyway? SSRI are really helping for this sort of disorder.
Feel free to pm me, if you have any more questions.

 

[Skinny Viking]

can't help with the panic disorder but you may want to get yourself checked for multiple personality disorder ... you've been posting on this forum for a couple weeks now that I can see

Tim > ...... Tim?

 

[SocialNumb]

"Social Phobia Disorder and Generalized Anxiety Disorder"

That's me too. I've also had panic attacks. This all started with one. I've lived with anxiety for so long i've lost count of the years. I'm thinking 1/2 my life or so. As already mentioned diet and exercise is important.
Personally I don't have issues about the way I look. So bulking up is up to you if you feel that would help. I really don't like the way it looks so I don't think I would like to see it on myself. I'm more into the slim cut thing.
I also drink. For me it's a combination of beer and weed that's just right before I'm "normal". I don't care what the experts say. I've done it all, meds, doctors of all kinds, even dumb shit like rocks on my back to do something or another. Something about balance. Yeah, bullshit. Acupuncture, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (one of CBTist was a christian and told me I needed to pray. I laterally told her "fuck you" and left) ect . . . years and tens of thousands of dollars later I drank some beer and took a bowl hit on the advice of my mom. "Just have a beer and relax" she said. Now I do that everyday without fail. Nothing else works for me. I also had to be really honest with myself. The truth is: I don't like the general population. I do not get lonely. I love being by myself. Realizing this has helped me a lot.

The doctors tell me that it's not normal to want to be alone all the time. I tell them "well, I'm not normal then". I'm fine with that. The fact is I don't need to go anywhere most of the time. I do not enjoy crowds of people. I don't like dancing and honestly consider it a form of insanity when not done in a professional manner. I see all kinds of social behavior considered "normal" that I consider "fake" or awkward, sometimes down right nuts in my book. The fake smile is one of the many. So why should I pretend to "fit" in? Fuck people. Dam Christians.

It's a hard way to live but these are the cards I've been dealt. Even with the constant anxiety I feel all day I still love life and for the most part I'm always happy.

I think the only advice I can give is: Do what works for you. Thanks for reading to my rant.

 

[xFkx]

The day is started not giving a fuck was the day most of my social anxieties started going' away. I do feel awkward some time, but far away from any sort of panic.

Oh, yeah, and i'm kinda like SocialNumb, i don't mind beeing by myself, I just try not to get bored then, so I play guitar, compose, mix, blah blah.


Life is good

 

[timislegend]

first of all... thank you to everyone's response.

Seeing a psych was the first big step that helped me.
Exercise and diet are CRUCIAL to managing anxiety problems too. Stop eating and drinking complete crap if you do.
Start bodybuilding, seriously.
It will improve your self esteem, improve your physical health x1000000 and with the improved confidence you wont feel so self conscious and awkward in public anymore.
Stop drinking alcohol if you do too.

*this is interesting and i really believe it to be true... however, i am 5' 11" 145lbs. i run every morning for an hour. i do not eat any fast food and i don't drink or do drugs. i do have a social anxiety disorder as a result of panic disorder and as i said, i have had pd for about eight years. i am very appreciative to your comments and it will be something for me to reflect upon.

Tim, I can't help here, but I have to say you bear a passing resemblance to Colin Farrell in that picture.

*this made me laugh. i have never got that one before. i get a handful on a weekly basis... (orlando bloom, aston kutcher, rob patenson, vincent gallo ...even younger brad pitt). never colin farrell. btw your avatar is outstanding.

Hi, welcome to the show. I'm studying behavioral therapy and I don't think this is a good place to work on the problem. You should search for a BEHAVIORAL therapist in your region. Though I cannot help you per se, I could try to get you in the right directions though.
Successful methods seem to be the cognitive-behavioral therapy which means getting to know your problem and get another point of view in terms of the disorder. Next would be flooding or exposure therapies. Studies say an anxiety attack lasts about 15 min. If you expose yourself towards the anxiety inducting problem for longer you get a kinda get-used-to-effect (sorry I'm not a native english speaker).
Those two therapies seem to be the gold standard at the moment.
Why are you against drugs anyway? SSRI are really helping for this sort of disorder.
Feel free to pm me, if you have any more questions.

*i must find the right words to explain... i have been a part of (poem) & (cbt) support groups with minimal results. i have faced my panic and back. my therapist even suggested to pick-up a compulsive trait like smoking. (wtf?) my panic attacks have gotten so bad that they last 2-3 hours and sometimes i will black out. i am still not happy with any medications, although it is true that certain meds pass the anxiety... they come with certain side effects that i am not willing to face yet. i am only 29 years old and i have an excellent career and an audio engineer. i am not married and my stresses are very low. i do feel that there is a lot of truth to what you are saying and i appreciate the kind words, thank you.

can't help with the panic disorder but you may want to get yourself checked for multiple personality disorder ... you've been posting on this forum for a couple weeks now that I can see

Tim > ...... Tim?

*i have only been here about a few weeks... but that would be crazy if i did have schizophrenia. i think you just blew my mind, dude!

 

[guitarguru777]

can't help with the panic disorder but you may want to get yourself checked for multiple personality disorder ... you've been posting on this forum for a couple weeks now that I can see

Tim > ...... Tim?

Dude the guy is having Panic Disorder what are you trying to turn him into a Hypochondriac ..... LOL ..WTF!

Sure great idea make the guy who has panic attacks panic ... genius! ...lol

 

[timislegend]

I think the only advice I can give is: Do what works for you. Thanks for reading to my rant.

*this is helpful... thank you for the insight.

The day is started not giving a fuck was the day most of my social anxieties started going' away. I do feel awkward some time, but far away from any sort of panic.

Oh, yeah, and i'm kinda like SocialNumb, i don't mind beeing by myself, I just try not to get bored then, so I play guitar, compose, mix, blah blah.

*apathy doesn't suit me very well... i have tried it on for size however considering i work with a lot of labels and artists, i must compose myself appropriately. sometimes having an (eff-it) attitude can rub off on clients and co-workers (in my experience). i do however spend a lot of time arranging and editing which is helpful. thank you so much for your comments.

 

[Skinny Viking]

Dude the guy is having Panic Disorder what are you trying to turn him into a Hypochondriac ..... LOL ..WTF!

Sure great idea make the guy who has panic attacks panic ... genius! ...lol

hahaha I only mentioned it cause he starts his OP with "I'm new here" but he's not really all that new

besides, MPD is different from being schizo

 

[timislegend]

hahaha I only mentioned it cause he starts his OP with "I'm new here" but he's not really all that new

besides, MPD is different from being schizo

ha! i signed up the end of june... i just figured it would have been a good starting dialogue.

...i'm no expert.

 

[neverpurify]

The day is started not giving a fuck was the day most of my social anxieties started going' away. I do feel awkward some time, but far away from any sort of panic.

Oh, yeah, and i'm kinda like SocialNumb, i don't mind beeing by myself, I just try not to get bored then, so I play guitar, compose, mix, blah blah.


Life is good

not giving a fuck ftw

actually not giving a fuck about 95% of shit is the way to go.

 

[Cryo114]

Meditation helped with mine. In fact it's made it a non-issue for me personally now. In my case there was a strong conflict between what I wanted to be the case (in my life in general) and what actually was. So when panic really started rolling I would react against it as yet another thing I didn't like about the way things are, which in turn caused the classic little panic to big panic.

The meditation I do is sitting, back straight (But not un-naturally) eye's closed or almost closed. Then I pay attention to thoughts and body sensations, not thinking about them, or rather, not getting into anything about what they mean or if they're good or bad or how long they'll last. Just noting when they come and when they go. If I find myself off in a fantasy about a memory or an idea of the future, I just make a note of that and come back to my body or my thoughts right then.

The effect I find is that my opinions and expectations fade and the way this help in panic is that, the initial trigger will come but my reaction will be lessened, so that exponential build up of anxiety and tension just dies at the root. It's also a different route from the building of self esteem route, in that it makes your self esteem (low or high) less important, because all the things you think make you a bad/good person dont matter so much, which is good for when those things cease to be the same way.

It's also important when doing this meditation that you don't think of doing it directly for results, just do it for the chance it might help. Meditation just puts you in the right place for this to happen, if you try and make it happen your just grabbing the wheel hard again.

There are other mediations I do which are great for moving your focus away from the "I" on to something that will paradoxically make you feel better. Metta practice is a visualization exercise in which you go through some lines often something like "May I be happy" or "May I be well" visualising yourself as a child being cared for. You then move this thought (In time) onto people you know, mentally saying the same lines and seeing them as the same. This isn't the same as positive affirmations, they are well wishes not fake declarations. Doing this regularly has made a really big difference to me, aspecially when wishing well on people I don't know while, for example, on a train. At times I've felt genuinely blessed by nothing but being here.

Anyway, I know this might sound a little new age but after 15 years of, at times, constant crippling anxiety leading to full blown psychosis, I really dont have any issues with it anymore. These practices won't change the world, and they wont stop all bad days, they just make it seem like a better place to be.

 

[timislegend]

Meditation helped with mine. In fact it's made it a non-issue for me personally now. In my case there was a strong conflict between what I wanted to be the case (in my life in general) and what actually was. So when panic really started rolling I would react against it as yet another thing I didn't like about the way things are, which in turn caused the classic little panic to big panic.

The meditation I do is sitting, back straight (But not un-naturally) eye's closed or almost closed. Then I pay attention to thoughts and body sensations, not thinking about them, or rather, not getting into anything about what they mean or if they're good or bad or how long they'll last. Just noting when they come and when they go. If I find myself off in a fantasy about a memory or an idea of the future, I just make a note of that and come back to my body or my thoughts right then.

The effect I find is that my opinions and expectations fade and the way this help in panic is that, the initial trigger will come but my reaction will be lessened, so that exponential build up of anxiety and tension just dies at the root. It's also a different route from the building of self esteem route, in that it makes your self esteem (low or high) less important, because all the things you think make you a bad/good person dont matter so much, which is good for when those things cease to be the same way.

It's also important when doing this meditation that you don't think of doing it directly for results, just do it for the chance it might help. Meditation just puts you in the right place for this to happen, if you try and make it happen your just grabbing the wheel hard again.

There are other mediations I do which are great for moving your focus away from the "I" on to something that will paradoxically make you feel better. Metta practice is a visualization exercise in which you go through some lines often something like "May I be happy" or "May I be well" visualising yourself as a child being cared for. You then move this thought (In time) onto people you know, mentally saying the same lines and seeing them as the same. This isn't the same as positive affirmations, they are well wishes not fake declarations. Doing this regularly has made a really big difference to me, aspecially when wishing well on people I don't know while, for example, on a train. At times I've felt genuinely blessed by nothing but being here.

Anyway, I know this might sound a little new age but after 15 years of, at times, constant crippling anxiety leading to full blown psychosis, I really dont have any issues with it anymore. These practices won't change the world, and they wont stop all bad days, they just make it seem like a better place to be.

*thank you for this... meditation is definetly something i am willing to try.

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

Drink lots of water and be sure to get some form of exercise daily.

 

[Jevil]

and Generalized Anxiety Disorder.

Me too