OKay I'm new at this stuff so don't laugh but can you tell me how to get the D4 drums on to seperate tracks so I can pan them and add effects if needed individually.
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Panning with the D4
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MR NINE
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It depends the way you are using D4:
Are you recording the triggers or do you want to trigger a recorded signal?
If you have triggers on the drumkit you can record just the "clicks" and then send this signal to the D4 (this way you can always change the sounds in the D4) or you can use a noisegate for the kik, toms, snare, etc already recorded and send the signal to the D4 inputs.
Use the D4 main output and the auxiliar output to get 4 outputs and pan each piece of drum to hard left and hard right for main out/aux out.
You can also record the D4 sounds individually to your recorder. This way you can record 4 sounds at a time. Watch out for the delays between your D4 recorded tracks and your real instrument tracks!! Triggers usually always have a delay!
Are you recording the triggers or do you want to trigger a recorded signal?
If you have triggers on the drumkit you can record just the "clicks" and then send this signal to the D4 (this way you can always change the sounds in the D4) or you can use a noisegate for the kik, toms, snare, etc already recorded and send the signal to the D4 inputs.
Use the D4 main output and the auxiliar output to get 4 outputs and pan each piece of drum to hard left and hard right for main out/aux out.
You can also record the D4 sounds individually to your recorder. This way you can record 4 sounds at a time. Watch out for the delays between your D4 recorded tracks and your real instrument tracks!! Triggers usually always have a delay!
There are four output modes: Aux Left, Aux Right, Main Left, Main Right - giving you a total of 4 seperate tracks (as stated above). You have to press the "mix" button and adjust it for all 4 triggers....
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Yeah i use alesis dm5 I think its called...for demos we dont bother panning...I've run into problems getting an accurate midi track through it (but that might be because of shitty triggers). You can run instrument cables straight from the triggers to your soundcard inputs - skip the D4 entirely - and record them as audio tracks with no midi (of course only if you have enough inputs for it). Then use a plugin to replace those sounds with the ones from your D4. Works like a charm but makes you feel like an idiot for purchasing the module in the first place!
I'm trying to get the bass and snare in the middle and have the 3 toms panned, is that possible. Would it be easier to record the drums with mics first and send it through the D4 afterwards? Is that how the pros do it?
MR NINE
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Use the main out for the kik and snare panned left/right and use the aux out for the toms.
Send it for 4 channels on the mixer 1 & 2 for kik and snare panned center and 3 & 4 panned full left/right for the toms.
It's a matter of taste or choice! Or if the drums are poorly recorded.
Send it for 4 channels on the mixer 1 & 2 for kik and snare panned center and 3 & 4 panned full left/right for the toms.
It's a matter of taste or choice! Or if the drums are poorly recorded.
MR NINE
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Send all the toms to the aux out but already panned at your taste inside the D4.Frieza said:
Lets say: 1st tom full right; 2nd tom center and the 3rd tom full left.
This way you have the drumkit in the viewer/listener perspective.
My best advice would be to print all triggered drums to disk (if you have the possibility). There are several reasons I always do it:
1) Flams. By recording the tracks to disk, and then moving them backwards a bit (i go for 30 subframes on my recorder), you avoid the flams when mixing with the original sound.
2) No limitations in panning, EQ or aplying other effects.
1) Flams. By recording the tracks to disk, and then moving them backwards a bit (i go for 30 subframes on my recorder), you avoid the flams when mixing with the original sound.
2) No limitations in panning, EQ or aplying other effects.
SteelRat
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I don't have a drummer, so I've gotten used to playing with the midi thing a little bit...try this for multitracking the drums...
If you're using triggers and recording the trigger clicks as a midi file or even writing out each drum hit by hand in a midi file, some programs like Cakewalk have a CAL to Split Note to Tracks. This is a great thing. You select the drum midi track, run the Split Note to Tracks CAL on it, and each drum and cymbal suddenly has it's own track you can solo out and record individually into your multitrack recorder.
Then it's just a matter of resynching the tracks, and doing your stuff to each drum...
One big downside...you have to listen to the song all the way through listening to each drum being hit, and it sounds weird, and takes freakin' forever. But you get really clean, isolated drums that you can repan, remix, compress, and do whatever you'd like without messing with the other individual drum tracks.
I always use an 8 count of click track on each track for resynching the tracks.
If you're using triggers and recording the trigger clicks as a midi file or even writing out each drum hit by hand in a midi file, some programs like Cakewalk have a CAL to Split Note to Tracks. This is a great thing. You select the drum midi track, run the Split Note to Tracks CAL on it, and each drum and cymbal suddenly has it's own track you can solo out and record individually into your multitrack recorder.
Then it's just a matter of resynching the tracks, and doing your stuff to each drum...
One big downside...you have to listen to the song all the way through listening to each drum being hit, and it sounds weird, and takes freakin' forever. But you get really clean, isolated drums that you can repan, remix, compress, and do whatever you'd like without messing with the other individual drum tracks.
I always use an 8 count of click track on each track for resynching the tracks.
