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JayB

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Hey guys! I'm thinking about getting a new video card for my PC. My PC is custom built and pretty decent besides the fact that it has a pretty old video card. I can play most games at highest settings but with some games, the framerate really starts getting choppy. My bro is an IT guy and he built this PC for me back in '09. When I talk to him about upgrading my comp's parts, he kinda just says to wait until the thing is obsolete and then build a new one with the specs I want. So I'm just curious how much of a difference a new video card would really make for my games, and here are my motherboard etc specs... Also if you guys can recommend a good video card I'm all ears! I think my motherboard can actually hold two cards, but I don't know too much about these things. I keep hearing about cross fire cards that can run two together, are they good? Anyway here are the specs:

Intel DP45SG Motherboard

SEE SPECS HERE ON TIGERDIRECT

GEFORCE 9800 GT Video Card

SEE SPECS ON TIGERDIRECT

Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q6700 @ 2.66 GHz

8 GB DDR3 Ram

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1

So yeah , if anyone knows what is a better card that would work on my system, and can tell me if it would actually be worth the upgrade , let me know! Thanks everyone!
 
With a new card, you'll get a few more fps and Dx 11. Don't bother. +1 to your bro. Get a full upgrade or new system at the end of this year.
 
Your PC really isn't that outdated. For the most part the only big thing you are lagging in is the GPU department. Your motherboard supports Crossfire and the new 5 and 6 series would be a major upgrade to your current GT9800. If you got two cards and ran crossfire, you would be able to play all the latest games with decent if not maxed settings depending on the game.

I'd recommend if you are on a budget, something like this (or possibly two):

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=93094&CatId=2349

or if you have the cash...one of these:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=55285&CatId=2349
 
I posted this topic on another forum also , and this is the only answer I've received so far but the guy seems to know what he is talking about. I'm thinking of just getting another 9800GT for now , that would help out a lot with the framerate and stuff right?

Here's what he said

In terms of graphical enhancements, you'll see a major difference in framerates in higher resolution games. Plus you'll be able to handle things like anti aliasing a little better along with better handling of great light effects. The improvement though isn't all that necessary from a 9800GT at a lower resolution game setting. Still, if you want a little bit more sharpness with the higher resolution, and a little less chugginess on explosions and stuff, you might want a new card. Plus, directx 11 is not capable on the 9800 GT.


There's two options for you for graphics cards. Get another 9800GT and run them in SLI or get a new card altogether and run it single in the PCI-express x16 slot. SLI is like crossfire, but for Nvidia cards. Crossfire is for ATI cards. Same concept. Two identical cards that combine efforts to get you better performance. Each installed in open PCI-xpress slots. Then connected together using a bridge of some sort.


Recommendations for the graphics card.


Identical or at least same number video card. Ex. 9800 GT made by any other brand. Best results from completely identical cards. And make sure to match the same amount of memory along with memory type like GDDR3 or GDDR4. It'll say in the specs. Clock speeds don't necessarily have to match, but the higher clocked card will clock down to the lowest for synchronization. From what I hear, Nvidia has better benefits from using combined cards compared to ATI.


If you want a new card, you might want to take a look at the gtx560. That'll run you around the $200 range. If you need something cheaper, go for the gtx460. I've got one and it seems to be doing just fine on most games that I have. That will run you around $140 or so. Not real numbers, just estimates. The Nvidia 400 series and above is directx11 capable. All other cards before the 400 series are not. So another 9800GT would not allow you to use DX11 stuff.


I would recommend the 560 if you really want to futureproof yourself at a reasonable cost, and 460 for better price. The performance boost you would get from a spare 9800 GT wouldn't be all that great compared to the power drain. You would probably have to buy a new power supply to support the power drain. The 460 is probably the best one of the 400 series, but the 400 series is still inferior to the 500 series, but probably not by too much. When the 460 came around, a lot of problems like heat, power drain, efficiency, and performance were addressed after the 480 and 470 had been complained on by bad managing of the same properties. The 500 series is improved on that along with a better tessellation processor to handle on the fly tessellation on a larger scale.


This tessellation implementation is a new feature of DX11. It allows for your 3d objects to exponentially grow in detail based upon the distance your camera is to your object.


I don't have any clue about ATI, but I'm definitely happier about having an Nvidia card. Nvidia cards have better drivers most of the time, and there's been a lot of development in using their multiprocessors for cpu related tasks. ATI is sort of the same there, but Nvidia has spent much more into encouraging and supporting that feature. Plus, you can still utilize your 9800GT to process hardware physx, Nvidia proprietary physics system, if you upgrade to a 460 or 560. Just stick the 9800GT in the spare slot and tell the system to look at that card for physx designation. Warning, you'll probably need a stronger power supply for that setup.
 
Before I read the long post, just a heads up, your motherboard isn't SLI compatible a 6850/6950 or GTX560 > 2x 9800GT.

EDIT: I still say a second 9800 is a waste of money, and power drain (especially for a 500W PSU). Futureproof your PC and get a single new generation GPU.
 
How big's your screen?

I play at Full HD (1080p) and my 6950 with 2GB of RAM still can't play Metro 2033 cranked at any decent framerate (plays alright when you kill depth of field). That's with unlocked shaders too. That's a 280$ card if you're lucky. If you play on lower res you can get by with something cheaper. I can't honestly recommend yet another dx10 card. Especially since their scaling (how well they improve when you get another one and pair them) is far far behind what the modern ones can do.

I'm an AMD diehard so I don't know a damn thing about NVidia's offering but two 6850s kill almost any single gpu setup with the exception of the 580. The 6950 is basically a 6970 with slower memory and weaker power handling, and can be flashed to 6970 specs if you wish at the cost of some instability and artifacting (and higher operating temperatures of course). I just rine mine like a 6950 with the same amount of shaders that the 6970 has (flashed bios).
 
And yeah you can do folding@home, do physx, have better drivers with NVidia.

But you can MAKE MONEY with an AMD. (Plus they are far more Open Source friendly)

AMD wins.
 
Yeah man your 9800 is virtually ancient by today's standards. If you're willing to go the multi-GPU route, you can pick up a couple 5850's (which are ridiculous) or GTX 460s (which scale at like 95% in some cases) and manhandle pretty much anything that comes your way.

And of course, you'll probably wanna drop a few bucks on a decent power supply too. 500w w/ dual 12v rails MINIMUM if you are gonna run a midrange single GPU card, 750w is safe if you want to run 2 cards in SLI/Crossfire.
 
videocard should be replaced with an ATI 6950 and flashed to get it working like a 6970.
6950 is the same card as the 6970 besides some cores blocked, you "open" the cores by flashing the card with the bios of the 6970
6950 costs a lot less than the 6970! basicallly if you buy this you'll have a 6970 for few bucks: 200$... something like that 6970 costs 300$ or maybe more if I'm not wrong
anyway I bought it for my bro and it works like a charm
Kev suggested to flash it!
 
They're actually not the same cards. The 6950s use lower quality memory, along with some other cutbacks to my knowledge, and some actually exhibit poor stability/artifacting when 'unlocked'. It's advice like this in the past which led me to some really bad hardware purchases. People just catch wind that something can be improved for 'free', and they actually think its free, without risk. My last cards were factory overclocked and they were unstable out of the box - would crash their drivers within minutes in modern games. This is both cards... factory approved and purpose-built with components to take the overclocks.
 
For sure, but its quite the opportunity for people making every cent stretch as much as possible (thats the game i've played for years anyway ;D). Plus I would always hope anyone being mischievous with bios flashing should know what they are up against.

Clever marketing from AMD if you ask me anyway- that card was made to be flashed :goggly:
 
They're actually not the same cards. The 6950s use lower quality memory, along with some other cutbacks to my knowledge, and some actually exhibit poor stability/artifacting when 'unlocked'. It's advice like this in the past which led me to some really bad hardware purchases. People just catch wind that something can be improved for 'free', and they actually think its free, without risk. My last cards were factory overclocked and they were unstable out of the box - would crash their drivers within minutes in modern games. This is both cards... factory approved and purpose-built with components to take the overclocks.

In this case the flashing is not overclocking them, is just opening up the cores that are phisically there.
well the card flashed works great on large number of pc's... reading stuff on the web.
It can't be the same exact hardware as you say but at least things run as fast as on a regular 6970.
 
How big's your screen?

I play at Full HD (1080p) and my 6950 with 2GB of RAM still can't play Metro 2033 cranked at any decent framerate (plays alright when you kill depth of field). That's with unlocked shaders too. That's a 280$ card if you're lucky. If you play on lower res you can get by with something cheaper. I can't honestly recommend yet another dx10 card. Especially since their scaling (how well they improve when you get another one and pair them) is far far behind what the modern ones can do.

I'm an AMD diehard so I don't know a damn thing about NVidia's offering but two 6850s kill almost any single gpu setup with the exception of the 580. The 6950 is basically a 6970 with slower memory and weaker power handling, and can be flashed to 6970 specs if you wish at the cost of some instability and artifacting (and higher operating temperatures of course). I just rine mine like a 6950 with the same amount of shaders that the 6970 has (flashed bios).

My screen is like 23 inches I think, I play games on it at like 1600x whatever resolution. I'm not at that PC right now so I can't say exactly. I should probably clarify that I am just trying to make this computer last me another 2 years of decent gaming or so, until I go and get a brand new computer.
 
The 6950 will artifact in certain games when run at 6970 clocks. A shader unlock only modded bios (which you can also find on somewhere on techpowerup) works brilliant for me.

The only two differences are that 6970 has faster memory and better power (2x8 pin vs. 1x8+1x6 pin on the 6950). YMMV but I've been really happy with my 6950 and the integer performance of the AMD cards leaves Nvidias in tears. Not that you need integer calculation for games, but there are other uses hehe...

edit: ONLY the "reference" 6950s will unlock. Any of those fancy two fan modified by vendor cards will most definitely not. Also the 1GB version will not unlock. Only the dead stock square box with squirrel cage fan and two position slider switch for bios flash will unlock without trouble. The 6950 goes for about 280$, the 6970 for 350$.

And I have no idea how many games like Metro and Crysis are heading our way. So I can't really tell you how much GPU power you will need in the next two years.
 
The 6950 will artifact in certain games when run at 6970 clocks. A shader unlock only modded bios (which you can also find on somewhere on techpowerup) works brilliant for me.

The only two differences are that 6970 has faster memory and better power (2x8 pin vs. 1x8+1x6 pin on the 6950). YMMV but I've been really happy with my 6950 and the integer performance of the AMD cards leaves Nvidias in tears. Not that you need integer calculation for games, but there are other uses hehe...

edit: ONLY the "reference" 6950s will unlock. Any of those fancy two fan modified by vendor cards will most definitely not. Also the 1GB version will not unlock. Only the dead stock square box with squirrel cage fan and two position slider switch for bios flash will unlock without trouble. The 6950 goes for about 280$, the 6970 for 350$.

And I have no idea how many games like Metro and Crysis are heading our way. So I can't really tell you how much GPU power you will need in the next two years.

I'm thinking about getting this card

[ame]http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-GeForce-PCI-Express-Graphics-01G-P3-1366-TR/dp/B004DKWLB4/ref=lh_ni_t[/ame]

In the new issue of PC gamer it says that for best performance in Crysis 2, use a quad core (which I have), 2GB ram (I have 8 GB) and this card.
 
Also I'm wondering if I get that card, do I need a bigger power supply? Right now I have a 500 watt. Also, can I get too high of a wattage and fuck things up? Like if I got a 750 watt?