People who vote for Bush should be deported
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Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
Haha. I think the poll was simply harder to find on that website. Also, they didn't put the poll up as fast as CNN did, probably a reflection on knowing what the ultimate outcome would be if there were 400,000 votes. I mean, even die hard conservatives with half a functioning brain cannot argue that, while Bush may have made some good points, he came across as hesitant, confused and frustrated. As much as I would like to say he was confident, poised and eloquent, the opposite is just the reality of it.lurch70 said:
Demonspell
cheating the polygraph
Watching Kerry verbally annihilate a fidgety and constantly stumbling Bush last night was one of the greatest pleasures I've had all year. Let's hope it translates into actual results...I have read that one focus group of undecided voters ended up with a few Kerry converts, so it seems highly plausible.
Ayeka
Hell Bent For Leather!
It seems that way, and to be honest I can't quite understand why. It seems to me that a lot of press spin is deciding peoples' opinions over the party. I can't believe that the problems of the Major government and Labour's '97 victory (which caused an effective ostracising of the Conservatives) can still have such an effect today. I refuse to believe that people can still be so hung up about Thatcher. Sure, Hague and Duncan Smith weren't charismatic at all, but like I've said, you don't vote for these people to be entertained by them. The obsession with Europe, I can understand putting people off, but that doesn't seem to have stopped UKIP.JayKeeley said:
I don't think there's so much, if any, division over policy now. There doesn't seem to be any attempts at softening the party's stance to appeal to weaker-willed voters. The policies I've heard so far seem to be strong, significant and what people want. So I can't understand why the Conservatives are still (apparently) doing so badly. It seems that if the newspapers say so, people believe it and look elsewhere.
After the Iraq and hunting fuss, I refuse to believe that people will vote for Tony Blair in large numbers again. Just on those two issues alone, the idea is ludicrous. I dunno...I'm voting Conservative for definite next year, even though Howard is a Jew
we'll see how it goes...This debate seems to have been interesting, wish we could've picked it up over here. I'll examine the fallout with great interest...
Papa Josh
Minister of Propaganda
Felt like pasting these just to irritate Dark One.
Bush is a moron, my god, he should've had someone there to signal him somehow.... "It's hard work...."
No fucking shit, sherlock.
And how about the debates last night? Anyone notice how Cheney completely avoided responding to Edwards listing all of the flip flopping Mr. Cheney's done during the last 15 or so years??
He voted against a holiday for Martin Luther King??? I hope blacks don't let him forget that fucking vote. Unfortunately, half of the seniors won't even remember that he's voted against so many things that would've benefitted them. That's what happens when the Repubs operate on NOTHING but fear.
Idiots. What the fuck do you think the 2nd amendment is for? Pick up a fucking gun and defend yourself. I am so sick of the word "terror." It's meaningless. Like Steve Austin of Today is the Day recently said, America IS the terrorist. That new album is insane, by the way.
Repubs act like terrorists were only around after 9/11......
Jimmy Kimmel put it best tonight when he said "there were no WMDs in Iraq, other than the ones we were dropping on them."
did you guys catch the 2nd debate last night ... Bush got slayed if you ask me.
he was a nervous wreck, winking to people in the audience (or was that a nervous tick?) ... drinking, and just acting very non-presidential.
Check these 2 funny clips out of our head monkey ...
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/sovereignty.mov
http://moose.cc/genmay/gopconstrm.mov
he was a nervous wreck, winking to people in the audience (or was that a nervous tick?) ... drinking, and just acting very non-presidential.
Check these 2 funny clips out of our head monkey ...
http://media.ebaumsworld.com/sovereignty.mov
http://moose.cc/genmay/gopconstrm.mov
Krilons Resa
Jerry's married?!
I thought bush was horrible. He never had any info to back up any of his statements. Every time I see that man, I become more and more pissed off.
Demonspell
cheating the polygraph
It wasn't as decisive as the first debate and Bush did manage to stumble less, but his words still rang hollow and I doubt he'll gain any momentum just by narrowly avoiding another total embarassment.
I agree, it seems republicans were just happy he didnt come off as a total dumbfuck like before.
This is weird, all my friends wanted to watch these stupid debates, and I sure the hell didnt want to talk politics all night, but here I am talking politics this morning.
This is weird, all my friends wanted to watch these stupid debates, and I sure the hell didnt want to talk politics all night, but here I am talking politics this morning.
Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
Papa Josh said:
Felt like pasting these just to irritate Dark One.
Another fine, doobie induced eloquent statement, eh Papa J.?
Black Winter Day
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SonOfNun
Bill Ward's Red Pants
Most comedic moment last night: Bush: "I own a timber company? That's news to me.............Need some wood?..................." That ruled.
Bush looked better as a debater but I personally think Kerry has a greater grasp on the issues and what is important to the American people and so he came off stronger again in my opinion. While Bush is doing a great job pleasing those already voting for him, I'd think Kerry is doing more to win over "undecided" voters.
That ruled.Bush looked better as a debater but I personally think Kerry has a greater grasp on the issues and what is important to the American people and so he came off stronger again in my opinion. While Bush is doing a great job pleasing those already voting for him, I'd think Kerry is doing more to win over "undecided" voters.
spaffe
Geisterglut
J.
Old Fart
rumors have it that Bush claimed income from a timber company on his tax return, and that's what Kerry was talking about.
JayKeeley
Be still, O wand'rer!
I actually thought Bush did a good enough job to get a draw. He used that 'salesman' thing and connected with the people in the crowd. Shame that crowd was so fucking dumb that they couldn't even read their own questions.
Kerry rehashed a lot of his arguments from the previous debate, Bush seemed revived with a new attack. Kerry has great arguments but he doesn't use enough conviction when delivering. He could do with some tips in salesmanship, otherwise I think he was quite the cardboard cutout to the average layman I'm afraid.
So far:
Debate #1: Kerry 1 - Bush 0
Debate #2: Edwards 1 - Cheney 1
Debate #3: Kerry 1 - Bush 1
Kerry needs to destroy Bush next time in order to get the swing voters attention I think, otherwise it's gonna be close.
Kerry rehashed a lot of his arguments from the previous debate, Bush seemed revived with a new attack. Kerry has great arguments but he doesn't use enough conviction when delivering. He could do with some tips in salesmanship, otherwise I think he was quite the cardboard cutout to the average layman I'm afraid.
So far:
Debate #1: Kerry 1 - Bush 0
Debate #2: Edwards 1 - Cheney 1
Debate #3: Kerry 1 - Bush 1
Kerry needs to destroy Bush next time in order to get the swing voters attention I think, otherwise it's gonna be close.
SonOfNun
Bill Ward's Red Pants
Yeah, he supposedly made some small amount of money which would have qualified him as a small business owner and Kerry was joking that that is Bush's definition of small business. A funny moment nevertheless.
I thought the best answer of the night was Kerry on abortion, and he really didn't even talk about the question at hand all that much, but what he did talk about was important. He essentially said that regardless of his faith/bias, he would do what he thought best represented America as a whole. This of course was when he said he was Catholic and that religion played a role in his life, but that he would not use it to misrepresent those who are Agnostic, Atheist, Protestant, etc. Obviously a different stance than Bush shares.
I thought the best answer of the night was Kerry on abortion, and he really didn't even talk about the question at hand all that much, but what he did talk about was important. He essentially said that regardless of his faith/bias, he would do what he thought best represented America as a whole. This of course was when he said he was Catholic and that religion played a role in his life, but that he would not use it to misrepresent those who are Agnostic, Atheist, Protestant, etc. Obviously a different stance than Bush shares.
JayKeeley
Be still, O wand'rer!
As sad as it is, this election will ultimately be decided on who you feel most safe with, and Bush does a great job in scaring the American public. He is like a walking ad campaign.
First of all, 75% of Al Queda finished off? What, are you kidding me? Like there are a finite number of Al Queda operatives? For every 'terrorist' removed, three take his place.
And if America wants to feel safer, it might not want to go around invading volatile regions such as Iraq, giving Al Queda leaders a complementary recruiting campaign.
First of all, 75% of Al Queda finished off? What, are you kidding me? Like there are a finite number of Al Queda operatives? For every 'terrorist' removed, three take his place.
And if America wants to feel safer, it might not want to go around invading volatile regions such as Iraq, giving Al Queda leaders a complementary recruiting campaign.
Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
