Yeah, I had a copy of Piper on CDR a few years ago, but it never intrigued me then. I should pick it up and see what happens.
Pink Floyd - The Wall
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Yeah, I had a copy of Piper on CDR a few years ago, but it never intrigued me then. I should pick it up and see what happens.
Seems to me that Syd Barrett stuff was -OUT THERE- like psycho-dellic. Ungrounded with little direction, maybe today Id understand it more but we pretty much deemed it unlistenable, dont think I'd spend money on it especially with all the other stuff I need to buy. I cant even remember what Meddle sounded like or if I even liked it. I dont think I ever heard Obscured by Clouds ? Twas a long time ago. DSOTM set a perminate inprint, I was amazed by the silky smoth guitar work and Clare Torrys thing in Great Gig in the Sky was orgasmic, one of the most passionate things I ever heard. Interesting story too, she earned 30 pounds for one of the most memorable female vocal parts ever, she just got that straightened out in '04. Share the wealth boys !
metalheadjohn666
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The Wall is great, but I prefer Animals myself.
Dogs especially, I've never heard guitar playing as good as that.
Dogs especially, I've never heard guitar playing as good as that.
Jasonic
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I adore this album and film.
It's funny. I loved the album growing up.
I even had the double gatefold vinyl version.
The funny part is watching the film years later as an adult realizing that as a child I really had no clue what the movie was even about!
The clips from the few live gigs they did for this are completely amazing.
Makes you wish Gilmore and Waters can work their differences out and get out there and do the best tour of all time!
It's funny. I loved the album growing up.
I even had the double gatefold vinyl version.
The funny part is watching the film years later as an adult realizing that as a child I really had no clue what the movie was even about!
The clips from the few live gigs they did for this are completely amazing.
Makes you wish Gilmore and Waters can work their differences out and get out there and do the best tour of all time!
I had this huge poster on my wall in the 70's of Pink Floyd. It was of a concert with a huge stage. Funny thing, this was before I ever listened to them. it was givin to me by someone but I have no idea what album it came out of. Im thinking Dark Side of the Moon, but I only had that on 8 track so I never saw the album the poster came out of... if thats where it came from ???? I also had one of Alice Cooper hanging from a noose off the Killer album, but my father disposed of it.......... lol. I guess he didnt mind the Pink Floyd poster.
The Wall is where Pink Floyd stopped being interesting to me. It has some good stuff on it for sure (Comfortably Numb is a great track), but the album as a whole is so ridiculously overrated and uneven compared to their earlier output. David Gilmour was always the better song writer (musically, not lyrically) and The Wall is the first album where his touch was pretty much absent since Waters took almost complete control of writing duties at that point. It's more a Roger Waters solo album with Pink Floyd as the backing band.
Also for those wanting to check out the Syd Barrett era, give his solo album The Madcap Laughs a listen. It's not exactly a great album musically, but it is really interesting to atleast have heard once. It is very erratic and uneven and you can really tell he was losing it while that was recorded. It's... unique.
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In my HONEST opinion, the WORST Floyd album...if not the WORST album of all time....ever! I only likr Comfortably Numb. Floyd were born psychedelic....'nuff said!! 
Rob
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BloodSword
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She signed a contract and knew what she was going to get paid so no need to pay her more then she already agreed upon. She wasn't a member of the band. Just a backup singer on a album.
Anyways as for the Wall album and movie = Brilliant. Probably one of my top 2 fave floyd albums... And you hear some Gilmour's writing throughout the album. Most notably Hey You and Comfortably Numb. Comfortably Numb was actually a song Gilmour wrote and planned to use on a solo album but Waters liked it and convinced him to use it for The Wall.
Absolutely correct!
I beg to differ. Read my previous post... anyways it would be the Final Cut that fits that description more.
Alright first of all I've read nothing about a "contract" and signatures. Secondly she was not just a "backup" singer. She took a lead in that song and improvized one of the most memorable and unique melody lines in musical history which put the icing on that cake of what DSotM's musical impact was. Thirdly a court of law agreed and she now recieves co-writing credits for the song and some undisclosed monetary settlement for her memorable and worthy effort. All is as it should be.....
yes she was just a "backup" singer... she was asked to "improvise" her vocals which she did as a "backup" singer for the $30 in studio fee she was paid which was standard in those days... she had no problem with the $30 and being labeled a "backup" singer back then and waited about 30 years to contest that... why? greed... she was a backup singer on that whole album and she didn't contest any other song, why? because she was just a "BACKUP" singer.... as for the courts... yeah we all know that courts do not make mistakes and those old court judges understand everything....
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In my HONEST opinion, the WORST Floyd album...if not the WORST album of all time....ever! I only likr Comfortably Numb. Floyd were born psychedelic....'nuff said!!
Rob
Wrong. Pink Floyd started out as a Blues cover band. And then Syd Barrett came along and changed the band. And I find it really annoying when Floyd fans are down on Syd. If it wasn't for Syd, Pink Floyd would've been a Blues cover band and not the interesting Experimental band they love.
In my opinion The Wall is weak in terms of its story. A guy building an emotional wall around himself and going insane isn't all that interesting to me. Roger could have done better than that. I think there are some great tracks on the album but its story is overrated in my opinion.
True about so called floyd fans who do not know their history very well (I recommend getting the book A Saucerful of Secrets: The Pink Floyd Odyssey by Nicholas Schaffner... a bio about them.. excellent book)...
As for the Wall being weak... i don't see it as weak at all... it was obvious the story was about Syd, Roger and Roger's father who died in WW2... alot of Floyd's songs and/or albums have to do with insanity or Syd (Wish you were here, Shine on you Crazy Diamond, DTOTM, The Wall etc.)... I think it's a excellent album and one of their top 2 or 3 albums... it's not all about a rock star going insane and hiding behind a emotional wall... there are other little stories within that story itself.....
Floyd album ratings in my opinion-
1.WYWH/Animals
2.Meddle/Piper At The Gates of Dawn
3.DSOTM
4.A Saucerful of Secrets/Atom Heart Mother/The Division Bell (it somehow holds up quite well even though it was released in 1994)
5.The Final Cut/The Wall(I'd prefer final cut over the wall)
Some albums like 'More' film soundtracks & Ummagumma might not seem all that great, but was still essential for them to progress and develop their 70's sound.(although i liked the 60's too)
So..ya...The Wall is amongst my least favorite from PF. It does have its moments, but it just seems too forced by Waters and while the concept was good, the album was flawed with quite a few 'not so good' tracks. Gilmour himself admitted that it lacked soul and it wasn't what he intended to do.
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1.WYWH/Animals
2.Meddle/Piper At The Gates of Dawn
3.DSOTM
4.A Saucerful of Secrets/Atom Heart Mother/The Division Bell (it somehow holds up quite well even though it was released in 1994)
5.The Final Cut/The Wall(I'd prefer final cut over the wall)
Some albums like 'More' film soundtracks & Ummagumma might not seem all that great, but was still essential for them to progress and develop their 70's sound.(although i liked the 60's too)
So..ya...The Wall is amongst my least favorite from PF. It does have its moments, but it just seems too forced by Waters and while the concept was good, the album was flawed with quite a few 'not so good' tracks. Gilmour himself admitted that it lacked soul and it wasn't what he intended to do.
<<Big PF fan
Quite a few 'not so good' tracks? The album is synergistic in nature. You have to look at the whole picture with that album
Well, i can see why ppl like it, but it just doesn't do it for me.
Although the entire story is kinda sad, waters just let his emotions overwhelm him. And that clearly had an impact with the musical side. Everything from A to Z in this album was dictated by waters but to be fair though, he genuinely did put in a lot of effort to make it good and narrative. The second half had very little to offer(save for comfortably Numb and In The Flesh). The lyrics are great, but if he had his emotions in check, the entire album could have been a masterpiece. Well, lets just call it a 'flawed masterpiece'.
I might have been a bit too critical in my first post...but this is an album I'd prefer not to rate.
Although the entire story is kinda sad, waters just let his emotions overwhelm him. And that clearly had an impact with the musical side. Everything from A to Z in this album was dictated by waters but to be fair though, he genuinely did put in a lot of effort to make it good and narrative. The second half had very little to offer(save for comfortably Numb and In The Flesh). The lyrics are great, but if he had his emotions in check, the entire album could have been a masterpiece. Well, lets just call it a 'flawed masterpiece'.
I might have been a bit too critical in my first post...but this is an album I'd prefer not to rate.
Interesting opinions expressed thus far. Here's what I think:
1) Still one of the best sounding albums ever. Very few sound better. (DSOTM/WYYH take those honors, imho.) Just from the aural aspect, this album rules.
2) Engaging story and well "written" throughout the entire album. Every single sound helps to enhance the narrative and mood. The tempo of songs, the cadence of the singing, the voice chosen to so the singing are all done so to best convey the story and feeling. This was back in the days of no Pro-Tools. Everything had to be done the hard way.
3) Excellent musicianship. 'Nuff said.
4) The songs could be taken out of context of the album and still have meaning and power, and yet every single song serves the over-arching album just as well. Very few bands can do that, (Queensryche's "Operation:Mindcrime" is another example of this) let alone do it that well. Pink Floyd had done 3 times.
Argue all you want about how much you dislike the album, its relevance and importance can't be understated. As for being overblown and pretentious...who else but an egotist to tell such a tale?
I'll take PF over just about anybody, any day of the week.
1) Still one of the best sounding albums ever. Very few sound better. (DSOTM/WYYH take those honors, imho.) Just from the aural aspect, this album rules.
2) Engaging story and well "written" throughout the entire album. Every single sound helps to enhance the narrative and mood. The tempo of songs, the cadence of the singing, the voice chosen to so the singing are all done so to best convey the story and feeling. This was back in the days of no Pro-Tools. Everything had to be done the hard way.
3) Excellent musicianship. 'Nuff said.
4) The songs could be taken out of context of the album and still have meaning and power, and yet every single song serves the over-arching album just as well. Very few bands can do that, (Queensryche's "Operation:Mindcrime" is another example of this) let alone do it that well. Pink Floyd had done 3 times.
Argue all you want about how much you dislike the album, its relevance and importance can't be understated. As for being overblown and pretentious...who else but an egotist to tell such a tale?
I'll take PF over just about anybody, any day of the week.
Psychonaut
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I finally just recently got an original pressing of The Wall on vinyl but have a speaker popping so I don't want to put it on until I can hear it without distraction.
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