Pink Floyd - The Wall

[Einherjar86]

I've always thought it was more of a "winter" album too. Weird...

I think it's due to the song The Gunner's Dream having the lines:

Good-bye Max.
Good-bye Ma.
After the service when you're walking slowly to the car
And the silver in her hair shines in the cold November air
You hear the tolling bell
And touch the silk in your lapel...

For me, these lyrics evoke images of winter.

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

There was nothing at all regarding anyones opinion on Syd other than I heard a little and didnt like it.

Perhaps you should listen to more then just "a little" before passing judgement... doesn't give you much credibility as a critic if you only just listen to "a little"...

unfaithful - Im only closed minded to shit music, thats why I stay out of the shit music threads... no differently than you are closed minded to the existance of neoclassical metal or blacktoe is to rap cover art.... lol

What is shit music to you may not be for someone else therefor it can't be considered shit music in general..

No one has to accept my opinions or statements about the facts, only respect them, and not say stupid shit about legitimate musicians.

That is the thing... they are not facts, just opinions most of the time when you post... like i always told you... you are entitled to your own opinions just not your own facts.. and not for nothing there is no rule saying the musicians you like are the only legitimate ones and not any other musicians i like or anyone else likes..

See I didnt say Syd "sucked" I just said screw Syd Barrett the Floyd we all know and love is Dark Side and beyond, hardly an inaccurate statement. Are you off your meds or something ?

I guess you have been ignoring the board members who have posted that they like Pre-DSOTM Floyd albums.. so therefor your statement is inaccurate... I think you need a new dosage for your meds lol

 

[razoredge]

Perhaps you should listen to more then just "a little" before passing judgement... doesn't give you much credibility as a critic if you only just listen to "a little"...

What is shit music to you may not be for someone else therefor it can't be considered shit music in general.. That is the thing... they are not facts, just opinions most of the time when you post... like i always told you... you are entitled to your own opinions just not your own facts.. and not for nothing there is no rule saying the musicians you like are the only legitimate ones and not any other musicians i like or anyone else likes.. I guess you have been ignoring the board members who have posted that they like Pre-DSOTM Floyd albums.. so therefor your statement is inaccurate... I think you need a new dosage for your meds lol

God are you pathetic. I only listened to a little of that first album because it was unbearable. As for facts it is a fact that Floyd was no where but underground and primarily the British scene until Dark Side, deal with it. We back tracked after DS and WY and the stuff didnt make the cut. I dont care, nor mind that a small handful find some merit in early Floyd but its not the stuff that made them, they would have remained obscure

 

[Einherjar86]

But did you give each song its fair share? There are some interesting moments throughout the album, and certain songs are better than others.

 

[Glühwürmchen]

My favorite Pink Floyd album is Meddle. That's the album that shows them truly coming into their own and finding their sound. It marked when Pink Floyd discovered what they were destined to become, and when the balance of songwriting began to near perfection. I think it's such an interesting record, and even filler tracks like San Tropez and Seamus are still awesome. Truly a killer record (Echoes... 'Nuff said ).

And I thought, I was the only one... Great to see some other Meddle fans

I like "The Wall" very much, it was my first Floyd album, introduced me to the style of music I mainly listen to nowadays,
and is one of my favorite albums from an emotional view, I just connect much with it.

 

[razoredge]

I would imagine there is some interesting moments, I dont think that psychodelic stuff is for me or ever even was. I even bypass it on Hendrix albums most of the time, he in my opinion ruined many a great song by going into a disconnected trippy mosh. It was a way of the times that I must have been too straight for, there are other example of this I didnt like even in CCR songs and songs by Walsh era Jamesgang.

Last year I rehashed a copy of Animals, upon advisement of a fellow guitar mate of mine and that is now way to slow and spacy for me. I think my tastes have changed so its doubtful I will venture back again past DS, unless loaned, speaking of which DS and WYWH should be on my retro CD to buy list. I will play Animals again now and see if it works.

 

[razoredge]

I should say my memory is clearer now and previously I mentioned "us" not being too interested in Meddle, I was wrong, it was a go at Ummaguma that didnt work for us. {Things were different, two people rarely bought the same record, no IPODS, no CD burning, no internet, no volumn of expendable cash, just album sharing amounst trusted friends.}

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

God are you pathetic.

I see your back to insults when someone doesn't agree with you. Your not very good at getting along with people are you?

I only listened to a little of that first album because it was unbearable.

I am sure your not a little boy anymore and can be man enough to listen to the whole album at least once.

As for facts it is a fact that Floyd was no where but underground and primarily the British scene until Dark Side, deal with it.

Oh really, FACT:

Album Charts

Saucerful of Secrets/1968: #9 UK
More/1969: #9 UK
UmmaGumma/1969: #9 UK, #74 US
Atom Heart Mother/1970: #1 UK, #55 US
Meddle/1971: #3 UK, #70 US
Obscured by Clouds/1972: #6 UK, #46 US

I would say they were a little more above ground then underground... You really have no concept of what "underground" is.. they were perhaps "underground" with the Piper album or before that but by no means were they after Syd left... they peaked with DSOTM but by no means were they underground after Piper and prior to DSTOM... DEAL WITH IT!

We back tracked after DS and WY and the stuff didnt make the cut. I dont care, nor mind that a small handful find some merit in early Floyd but its not the stuff that made them, they would have remained obscure

Whose we? You mean you don't you... everyone else thinks otherwise of those albums before DSOTM... your not the be all end all on opinions... and you do not know if they would of remained obscure (though I already established they were not obscured and/or underground)... they could and probably would of created WYWH, Animals, The Wall etc. without DSOTM having been created... Which these albums by themselves would of made them just as popular and top the charts as DSOTM.. as much as you like to think you can predict futures if something didn't happen... it ain't so my multiple personality foe... I wonder who is crazier.. you or Syd

 

[Dem0n0id]

^
It's pointless arguing against him.
I don't know how many times is he goona go on mentioning dark side this dark side that. The fact that "popularity" is a condition for him whether an album is good or not itself makes his argument obsolete. He's been repeating the same god damn thing from the start. And Pre-Darkside wasn't all that obscure...It might for some ppl require more than one listen to appreciate it properly. Listening to the first song of the album and saying it sucks without any proper argument is just immature and close minded.

Also, lets not get ahead of ourselves and assume things here.
"Without Dark Side, i don't think rest of their albums would have followed" - pointless assumption.

And in terms of creativity and originality, Animals is 10x better than DSOTM. It has a lot of great tunes as well.

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

^
It's pointless arguing against him.
I don't know how many times is he goona go on mentioning dark side this dark side that. The fact that "popularity" is a condition for him whether an album is good or not itself makes his argument obsolete. He's been repeating the same god damn thing from the start. And Pre-Darkside wasn't all that obscure...It might for some ppl require more than one listen to appreciate it properly. Listening to the first song of the album and saying it sucks without any proper argument is just immature and close minded.

Also, lets not get ahead of ourselves and assume things here.
"Without Dark Side, i don't think rest of their albums would have followed" - pointless assumption.

And in terms of creativity and originality, Animals is 10x better than DSOTM. It has a lot of great tunes as well.

Yah, I know that about him. As for his argument they were underground and obscure prior to DSOTM... that is why i listed the albums and where they were in the charts in their respective years of release.

As for Animals over DSOTM, i wouldn't go that far lol Darkside was total perfection (with the exception of Money imo)but I do like Animals. Took me awhile to like it but now I do. It's a perfect soundtrack for the movie Animal Farm as Darkside is perfect for Wizard of Oz as people have said in the past.

 

[Dem0n0id]

Well, i wasn't trying to imply that DSOTM is average or so .(far from it; It Just seemed like that when i said 10x better)
Animals isn't as catchy as DSOTM on first listen, but now it has grown on me soo much...that i find it hard to stay away from. Some of Gilmour's best guitar work can be found here. Just seems stupid that i ignored it at first like most Floyd fans do.

 

[razoredge]

I said your pathetic due to your posts, not whether we agree or not. Im not sure if the 70's on the charts was much of an accomplishment at that time given the amount of new releases, but it certainly was not compared to #1 which came in '73. So as I said they were obscure and primarily on the British scene, I wonder how many record sales #70 was at that time ?

By similiar comparision in '71 Uriah Heep released Look At Yourself, they were very obscure in the US at that time and it charted #93, Demons and Wizards ('72) made them... #23, then people back tracked. In '71 Zeppelin released IV and it was #2. Can you see yet what I was talking about ?

I dont rate the albums on their popularity, its how I feel about them.

Anyhow heres what Mason had to say about Meddle
"Meddle was the first real Pink Floyd album. It set a tempo, a feel and a style that we liked, and it introduced the idea of the theme that can be returned to. It sounds a bit ham-fisted now, but the concept thing I like."
and Gilmore
"Meddle is amongst my favourites. I mean that, to me, is the start of the path forward for Pink Floyd, really."

I already stated who "us" was in regards to what I was talking about

Actually it was within the past 2-3 years that I checked out the Syd Barrett stuff again. As I said earlier its not for me and I dont care or mind that some people like the earlier music. I never said without Dark Side the rest would have never followed, never anywhere, only that that was the album it took to get everyone to take note and represents the Pink Floyd that everyone came to know and love. After that people began to dig back and see what was there. Meddle went gold in '73 two years after its release and after the release of Dark Side

Heres what Waters has said about Atom Heart Mother
'I wouldn't dream of performing anything that embarrassed me. If somebody said to me now: "Right...here's a million pounds, go out and play Atom Heart Mother", I'd say: "You must be fucking joking...I'm not playing that rubbish!". 'Cos then I really would be embarrassed.'

So whatever Dark Side made them worldwide success and screw Syd Barrett, thank you very much for David Gilmore

 

[razoredge]

And in terms of creativity and originality, Animals is 10X better than DSOTM. It has a lot of great tunes as well.

Alot of great tunes ? There were THREE total

 

[Dem0n0id]

I was specifically referring to gilmours playing. My bad although i use 'tune' quite loosely, not to just refer an entire song.

The album also features some of Richard Wright's best keyboard work(in dogs). Like i said, it just seems like a lazy album at first, but it all comes together quite well after a few more listens.

 

[razoredge]

After listening to it again yesterday I realized one of the reasons I found it less interesting earlier was because one of those songs has been played to death around here on FM radio for decades. I know in the late 70's we played it often.

 

[Einherjar86]

Sheep? That song is horribly overplayed (still a great song though).

But Dogs is the best song on that album. The version Waters does of it on his In the Flesh tour was orgasmic, especially when the three-piece choir comes in for the lines:

"And when you lose control,
You'll reap the harvest you have sown."

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

I said your pathetic due to your posts, not whether we agree or not.

pathetic why? because you can fathom someone won't agree with you.. and if you haven't noticed most people think that about your posts more so then mine... so obviously you should look at your own words and get off your high horse....

Im not sure if the 70's on the charts was much of an accomplishment at that time given the amount of new releases, but it certainly was not compared to #1 which came in '73. So as I said they were obscure and primarily on the British scene, I wonder how many record sales #70 was at that time ?

By similiar comparision in '71 Uriah Heep released Look At Yourself, they were very obscure in the US at that time and it charted #93, Demons and Wizards ('72) made them... #23, then people back tracked. In '71 Zeppelin released IV and it was #2. Can you see yet what I was talking about ?

It is not easy to get on the charts at all considering there are thousands of bands fighting to get on them... so even if a band is #70, #93, or #23 that is far from bein obscure since it takes good album sales to get on those charts... when you are on those charts on a regular basis you are no longer in the underground... see what I'm talking about?

I dont rate the albums on their popularity, its how I feel about them.

Anyhow heres what Mason had to say about Meddle
"Meddle was the first real Pink Floyd album. It set a tempo, a feel and a style that we liked, and it introduced the idea of the theme that can be returned to. It sounds a bit ham-fisted now, but the concept thing I like."
and Gilmore
"Meddle is amongst my favourites. I mean that, to me, is the start of the path forward for Pink Floyd, really."

yeah, well that had Echoes didn't it? ... enough said...

I already stated who "us" was in regards to what I was talking about

The voices in your head like Syd's? lol Enlighten me because I find going through your past posts counterproductive...

Actually it was within the past 2-3 years that I checked out the Syd Barrett stuff again. As I said earlier its not for me and I dont care or mind that some people like the earlier music.

Like I said you can listen to the first album in it's entirety 1 time. Not that difficult.

I never said without Dark Side the rest would have never followed, never anywhere, only that that was the album it took to get everyone to take note and represents the Pink Floyd that everyone came to know and love. After that people began to dig back and see what was there. Meddle went gold in '73 two years after its release and after the release of Dark Side

You pretty much implied it and Demonoid called you on it... if Darkside never came out and Wish, Animals and Wall did come out ... they would be popular nonetheless... those 3 albums imo are masterpieces in their own right...

Heres what Waters has said about Atom Heart Mother
'I wouldn't dream of performing anything that embarrassed me. If somebody said to me now: "Right...here's a million pounds, go out and play Atom Heart Mother", I'd say: "You must be fucking joking...I'm not playing that rubbish!". 'Cos then I really would be embarrassed.'

We'll in the long run it really is what the fans think about the album that matters most...they buy and listen to them.. and Atom was pretty popular when it came out... I like the title track and so did Stanley Kubrick.. he wanted to use it for his movie Clockwork Orange...

 

[razoredge]

pathetic why? because you can fathom someone won't agree with you.. and if you haven't noticed most people think that about your posts more so then mine... so obviously you should look at your own words and get off your high horse.... It is not easy to get on the charts at all considering there are thousands of bands fighting to get on them... so even if a band is #70, #93, or #23 that is far from bein obscure since it takes good album sales to get on those charts... when you are on those charts on a regular basis you are no longer in the underground... see what I'm talking about?

I dont rate the albums on their popularity, its how I feel about them.

yeah, well that had Echoes didn't it? ... enough said...

The voices in your head like Syd's? lol Enlighten me because I find going through your past posts counterproductive...

Like I said you can listen to the first album in it's entirety 1 time. Not that difficult. You pretty much implied it and Demonoid called you on it... if Darkside never came out and Wish, Animals and Wall did come out ... they would be popular nonetheless... those 3 albums imo are masterpieces in their own right...

We'll in the long run it really is what the fans think about the album that matters most...they buy and listen to them.. and Atom was pretty popular when it came out... I like the title track and so did Stanley Kubrick.. he wanted to use it for his movie Clockwork Orange...

Yep, pathetic... pathetic posting, pathetic attitude, pathetic comprehension of what is being said, and pathetic ability to read posts once, obsorb and remember, not my problem

so I guess you think #70 in '71 had alot of albums to compete with and that it meant it reached a vast audience ? Or do you assume things were as they are today with thousands of albums coming out each year. None the less I validated with plenty of information what I was talking about.

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

Yep, pathetic... pathetic posting, pathetic attitude, pathetic comprehension of what is being said, and pathetic ability to read posts once, obsorb and remember, not my problem

Quite ironic, coming from a pathetic person who everyone wants banned for being a azz lol But the most ironic part is the "pathetic attitude". You really should rethink that and look in the mirror because I am sure most people would agree with you being that. You really should "absorb" the keyboard to spell it correctly. The A is on the far left and the O on the far upper right.

so I guess you think #70 in '71 had alot of albums to compete with and that it meant it reached a vast audience ? Or do you assume things were as they are today with thousands of albums coming out each year. None the less I validated with plenty of information what I was talking about.

Considering the chart is the top 100 or 200. Yes it is alot of albums to compete with along with the ones who didn't make the charts looking to be placed on them.It would be almost impossible imo to know how many albums came out in 1971 from Major and Independent acts. As for "vast audience", it is obvious in your mind it has to be at least 1,000,000 in album sales or else it does not qualify and is considered "underground". But then again that is just your opinion and not a fact. You always seem to think your opinions are validated as facts but as always that is just a figment of your imagination that no one on this board agrees with except yourself.

 

[no country for old wainds]

shut the fuck up about that douchebag syd barrett