Progressive metal song.. Opinions needed

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Hi all

I've been reading this forum for a while now and thought to post my own music for some advice...
It's a progressive metal song with some crazy(stupid) riffing. At first I thought that the guitar sound was ok. Now I don't even know anymore:)..
I think it's too sharp and "in your face"

The guitars and bass are recorded through PODXT..

So tell me what's wrong:)
http://www.upload.celtiaproductions.co.uk/uploads/progea-final-02.mp3
 
Man, I liked the song a lot. That middle jazzy part reminded me of Spiral Architect.
I dont know much about recording but I think the guitar solo was a bit too quiet and the guitars sounded too "digital".
 
Killer riffs there :) I think the guitars need a bit more low end, but that´s about it for them. Nice that the guitars don't have that much distortion, makes the sound clearer. The kick drum should have some more click to it, doesn´t cut through that well.. Other than that, nice job :)
 
man it's really tight, i'm really digging your playing more than anything else. the tones are really good for a modeller, what settings you got on your main riffage? how did you record it? double stuff? different amps?
 
Thanks for the comments everybody! Glad that you liked it:)

The amp model is Modern Higain with Brit Celest v-30 cab.. It is actually almost the same patch that you get just by selecting the modern higain amp. I just backed the drive a little and added some mids.. No screamer or any other stomp, thought that the sound had enough attack already.. For leads I used the same patch with added drive and delay of course.. The guitar I used is Jackson DRX with stock passive pickups.

I usually combine 2 different sounds for rhythm(and quad track), but this time I only used one. I doubled the riffs (same amp, panned hard left/right).. In some riffs of the time there are 2 guitars playing same riff octave higher (same amp, panned not so hard left/right)

I guess I could try some eq tweaking on those guitars to get them more natural sounding. Or play them again with BigBottom-Green25 combination which sounds more "real" in my opinion (should've used that in the first place :))..

Yes, the solo is a little bit too quiet. I guess I tried to bury it to the mix because it's so crappy:) and I was too lazy to record it once more.

What did you think about riffs that "got stuck".. Cool? Stupid? Retarded?.. I relly don't know, have listened that mix waaaayy too many times:p

And yeah I agree, the kick coud use some more click to it. Gets kinda buried at times..

Feel free to ask or add some more commets:)
 
Decimator said:
Thanks for the comments everybody! Glad that you liked it:)

The amp model is Modern Higain with Brit Celest v-30 cab.. It is actually almost the same patch that you get just by selecting the modern higain amp. I just backed the drive a little and added some mids.. No screamer or any other stomp, thought that the sound had enough attack already.. For leads I used the same patch with added drive and delay of course.. The guitar I used is Jackson DRX with stock passive pickups.

I usually combine 2 different sounds for rhythm(and quad track), but this time I only used one. I doubled the riffs (same amp, panned hard left/right).. In some riffs of the time there are 2 guitars playing same riff octave higher (same amp, panned not so hard left/right)

I guess I could try some eq tweaking on those guitars to get them more natural sounding. Or play them again with BigBottom-Green25 combination which sounds more "real" in my opinion (should've used that in the first place :))..

Yes, the solo is a little bit too quiet. I guess I tried to bury it to the mix because it's so crappy:) and I was too lazy to record it once more.

What did you think about riffs that "got stuck".. Cool? Stupid? Retarded?.. I relly don't know, have listened that mix waaaayy too many times:p

And yeah I agree, the kick coud use some more click to it. Gets kinda buried at times..

Feel free to ask or add some more commets:)
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what mic selection did you use
what are you doing to the channel in the mix

i was just messing around and was curious if i could match the tone, and couldnt get the same sound

my pickups are active but i dont see how that would sound thinner than the passives
 
joeymusicguy said:
what mic selection did you use
what are you doing to the channel in the mix
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It's the 421 condenser with 41% room. I could just post the patches if anyone is interested.. In the guitar group I used kjaerhus eq for few minor cuts and boosts(-2db@350Hz, -2db@2kHz and +2db@6,3kHz). Next in line is kjaerhus mastering limiter to squish the guitars a little :loco: :)
 
Decimator said:
It's the 421 condenser with 41% room. I could just post the patches if anyone is interested.. In the guitar group I used kjaerhus eq for few minor cuts and boosts(-2db@350Hz, -2db@2kHz and +2db@6,3kHz). Next in line is kjaerhus mastering limiter to squish the guitars a little :loco: :)
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wait... there's a 421, and a condenser selection for mics...

:erk:
 
Decimator said:
Whoops :) I meant dynamic.. Had to look that up on the pods dusty display.. Gearbox 3.0 shows the mic settings wrong sometimes:erk:
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i dont know, i just can't get over the mesa with a tube screamer

every tone i make with the pod just doesnt compare to it

i feel like i spent 700 dollars on a rack unit and the upgrades for one model! haha
 
I use the bean shaped.. +4dbu outs were enough for me.. Don't really like to use pod as a soundcard to record digital...

joeymusicguy said:
i dont know, i just can't get over the mesa with a tube screamer

every tone i make with the pod just doesnt compare to it

i feel like i spent 700 dollars on a rack unit and the upgrades for one model! haha
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Haha.. I know. I was stuck on that mesa model too.. I think thats the thickest sounding model of all but combining 2 different sounds you can get nice results also
http://www.sneapforum.celtiaproductions.co.uk/Decimator/bbbiisi-03.mp3 Here's another mix for comparison.. 2 tracks on Bigbottom and 2 tracks of Engl
 
I like the sound of the first sample more so than the second one...

I'm talking, guitar, drums, overall... sounds more cohesive. IMO

I've also listened to that track on a couple different speaker setups and I think the level of kick-click that was there was fine...

Sounds good... KEEP IT UP!:headbang:
 
joeymusicguy said:
i dont know, i just can't get over the mesa with a tube screamer

every tone i make with the pod just doesnt compare to it

i feel like i spent 700 dollars on a rack unit and the upgrades for one model! haha
Click to expand...

I'm interested in hearing the XT Pro, I had the original Pod Pro and I thought it was awesome... sold it and the Crate BV head I had used it with and upgraded to a Dual rec... and later sold that... bad idea.:erk:
 
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