ProTools Imaging Question

Styvo

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It was recently mentioned to me that if you buss to stereo aux inputs you loose imagining.
Is this true?

I often have several guitar tracks that i group accordingly and send them to busses.

In this instance would i be loosing stereo imaging?
 
It's exactly what i suspected egan,that you wouldn't and it doesn't seem to me that i do,but for some reason the person i was speaking to was certain and almost insistent that i would/do.

Cheers for the reply.
 
Who told you that?
A complete fuckwit who is obviously just good at dribble dribble bullshit.

You know the thing is i never believed it and in cases as such i just don't have the energy to sit there arguing over shit people don't know.

I thought I'd post to indeed confirm my suspicion or accept that i might infact have it wrong myself.
 
If that was the case I think CLA would have some of the narrowest mixes in existence. He stems everything down to 48 tracks on the board.

The only time I can imagine something like this being even remotely true is when we're talking about stereo linked compressors working on busses. Some people claim that having them working on both sides equally shrinks the image, but I can't say I've experienced the phenomenon myself.
 
You know the thing is i never believed it and in cases as such i just don't have the energy to sit there arguing over shit people don't know.

I thought I'd post to indeed confirm my suspicion or accept that i might infact have it wrong myself.

Hahaha, we've all been there dude, trust me on that!
 
Hahaha, we've all been there dude, trust me on that!

The funny thing is - I firmly believe that at least half of what we "know" and "believe" is unfortunately lies and misinformation others have passed on that we just took as truths.

I tend to practice the "try it for yourself" motto as often as possible in my life - it tends to make me a more honest man :)
 
I honestly think this guy i was speaking to is just a fan of putting stereo wideners on things.
I played him a mix,and he saw that i had my guitars bussed out to grps.I work my whole mix this way.He then went on to say that i think the guitars could do with some more imaging ptools busses tend to make things sound narrower than mono left right tracks.
I was like i nah what are you talking about,but i accept that you think the guitars should sound wider.

So that's pretty much the moral of the story,

I didn't think the guitars should have been wider, but I accept that people have opinions.
He's a Logic User that lacks Logic.
 
All properly designed DAW's sum perfectly and present the stereo image you started with (not counting plugins into the equation.) I would be curious to know if this person who told you about the imaging "issue" is perhaps used to the analog domain as far as mixing goes? The reasoning would be that what we may attribute to sounding more "open" or "wide" in the analog domain is due more to distortions, crosstalk, and so forth inherent in analog circuitry. These affect the perception, amongst other things, of the stereo positioning and width.
 
His assistants create the stems in ProTools.

So?

To clarify
I saying busing in a DAW is not the same as analog summing. And "He stems everything down to 48 tracks on the board." isn't relevant.

If he's got stems going to a console, it's not a bus/aux track, its a pair of Mono outputs of the interface going to the console.

Which of course you likely already know.
Just bustin' yer balls

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