Protools problem during tracking.VERY URGENT

[::XeS::]

For the overdubs there are no problems...the problem is to record different part of a guitar track.
A great solution is the normal recording with the pre-roll because the quick punch is a pain in the ass if, for example, I'm recording myself.
But I noticed another thing. With Auto input monitoring I can hear what I'm playing during the recording bat before I can only hear the pre-recorded part...
With input only monitoring, I hear only what I'm playing but never the pre-recorded part (if the track is engaged).
Anyway I find a good solution: I place my punch-in at the end of my pre-record part, i link it (link timeline and edit selection), i place the blue cursor some beats before the end of the part and I record from there, all with Auto monitor engaged.
So I hear the pre-recorded part (but I don't hear myself playing) and when it arrives at punch-in I hear myself playing and I record

 

[LydonB]

yes, it starts recording from when you start playback. When you go into record it draws the region and switches to input monitoring

Okay, that is what I thought it did.

When doing overdubs, would it be best to use quick punch or just record with a pre and post roll? I guess it would depend on the situation.

 

[::XeS::]

Personally, for overdubs I prefer pre and post roll because you already know the region where you have to record the overdub. Quick punch....I don't know....for me there is much more precision with pre-roll

 

[AudioGeekZine]

totally depends on if you're recording yourself or others. I prefer quick punch for recording vocalists because they can sing along and you can punch in any time seamlessly.

With the preroll method you may cut off the start of the first note.

 

[kaomao]

As I told ya xes via the messaging system, my method is far better.
Just group the drum tracks, and on the edit menu click duplicate (on PT 8 click on a track's name -> mouse right button -> duplicate) this way protools duplicate each track with the input set where they should be, so you don't have to set them manually again.
Delete the fucked up bar, so when he will be over that bar he won't listen to the old take, then position the cursor where you want and hit record/play the drummer will hear himself on the phones and will hear his last performance and do the overdub very easily.
With pre-post post-roll you can't hear yourself on the phones (you hear the previous take) until you get to the bar you want to fix, you can automonitoring but you won't hear the performance you recorded before.
Of course when you're done with drums delete the duplicated tracks.
Just an easy way to not get mad.

 

[AudioGeekZine]

So you have 16 tracks of drums instead of 8, must be twice as good!

 

[::XeS::]

Does anyone think this is an useless complication? (the way PT manages monitoring and recording)

 

[James Murphy]

kaomao... setting up a cue mix via aux sends is easy and far "cleaner" (less cluttered, easier to navigate session)

 

[James Murphy]

Does anyone think this is an useless complication? (the way PT manages monitoring and recording)

uh.... errr...

no

what the hell you on about? the "way it manages monitoring and recording"??
very odd statement.

 

[::XeS::]

I'm speaking about Protools LE/M (I don't know HD at the moment)
I mean, every daw I used was very simple when I had to record/monitor. If I did a mistake, I cut the track, I placed the "cursor" some beats before the cut and I started to record (and I was able to hear the good take before the cut and also what I was playing (or what someone was playing).
With Protools you have only input monitoring and auto input monitoring, with the first you hear only the input and not the good take before the cut (I'm refering to my example) and with the second one you hear yourself (input) only after the punch in time.
Ok I've found the method that works for me (I explained it yesterday) and I think protools is fantastic, but if I compare all these "complications" about monitoring and recording with the other daws...I call them Useless complications

 

[James Murphy]

lol... that's like buying a high-end pro camera and complaining that it has things on it like F-Stop, and White Balance and such... rather than just a button and viewfinder.

pro tools accurately recreates the monitoring modes available in every pro situation... even 2" tape. make the choice once and you're done... what's so hard? i fail to understand why some people complain when presented with a more full, professional feature set in a particular piece of gear or software they've chosen..... there are legitimate reasons for each of the monitoring modes available. just enable the one you want to use and you are done. simplicity itself, while still providing a complete, professional level feature set.

 

[::XeS::]

Probably You're right James....I have only to learn how it works. I read the manual but I find it initially hard to understand. Now, as I have already written, I found the right way to use it. Of course the way to use it vary from the different situations I can meet.
The real problem is when you think to know your gear and your software (because you have already done some test, etc..) but when you have to do a real work...you find the gaps you haven't discovered....very imbarassing.
Unfortunatelly you can study but if you can't try real situations, you have to do the practice when you work

 

[kaomao]

So you have 16 tracks of drums instead of 8, must be twice as good!

I said is better so don't argue.. kidding lol
Anyway, seriously, I think is not that bad having tracks just for overdubs, when you think the overdub is good you move up to the "real" drum tracks

I work fast and my session are cleaner than a baby's ass! ahahah

EDIT: when I'm done I delete the overdubs tracks