Recent CD buys

[Metalliced]

Yes "matrix" i call it index. that is just my quirk. Bottom line is bootleggers are getting more crafty. The other thing to always consider is when these were originally pressed most big labels were having them printed in different territories so things can change each time. I know over the years and pressings I made adjustments to my better selling titles making changes. My ATREYU cd has spine text color changes, my logo swapped out if I am remembering correctly, etc.

The other thing I have noticed about some of my boots is the printwork isn't as crisp as the original since they are pulling from scans and don't seem to be cleaning them up really. just going as is. so that is something to look out for. But I still say a boot is better than nothing.

Yep, the print is the thing that doesn't settle well with me. "Daily Horror..." looks good, but my copy of "Hell's..." looks sort of like it was done with a cheap 'off the shelf' computer software, on a home printer. But like I mentioned before, the actual card stock used is the same you'd see on any CD, and it seems to have been manufactured. It just kind of cheap looking.

But, you're right. I guess some bootleggers are getting crafty these days. They could probably reproduce just about anything by now. I heard the Russians are the best at this...

Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention; they sound great. I did a .WAV analysis on them and they were definitely not taken from MP3's. That's good news, I guess. And like you say, 'A bootleg is still better than nothing'. True.

 

[I-TEND-TO-DIE]

Raped Ape - Terminal Reality (original Bullet Proof pressing)
Poltergeist - Behind my Mask

 

[Justin G]

But I still say a boot is better than nothing.

I think this is probably true as long as a) you know up front that's what you're getting, and b) you're not paying a "collectors" price for it.

 

[J. Golden]

I think this is probably true as long as a) you know up front that's what you're getting, and b) you're not paying a "collectors" price for it.

One would think that all these oh so sharp "collectors" could piece it together when they are buying a rare CD for way cheaper than they normally see it for, or see several CDs pop up of a title that was on a label that has been gone for 20-30 years. Goddamn it is not that difficult to figure out. I have only been fooled twice, once from getting a Malisha from Retrospect years ago that was a CDr, and a Pretty Maids that came from Amazon (apparently they press CDrs).
It does get really tiresome hearing the bitching about it. Seriously most people would not even know who bands like Risk are if boots did not show up. Once they do all these "collector" guys start gabbing about boots, well what the fuck do they think it is? These guys are just like the guys that would come into the comic shop looking for the 0.00 Star Wars cards.
I think people would be really surprised if they knew what was actually boots and what wasn't.
Well fact is if bootleggers were not out there most of the bands booted would remain unheard of. Secondly to get those albums yyou would end up paying a hell of a lot more for an original. If that is your thing then more power to you I guess.

 

[TribunalRecords]

It does get really tiresome hearing the bitching about it.

No one is bitching. We are DISCUSSING it. We are comparing editions we own to things being purchased now. This is how people get information.

Also, SPV is totally pressing random stuff again. There are LETTER X cds back in print and not bootlegs because REAL distributors have them. Either that or SPV went through stock in some old warehouse and has tossed it back out there, which could be the case considering I find OOP stuff I have released and put it back up for sale.

and YES, amazon is selling CDR pressings of albums that are out of print. Labels sign up for this service. Chastain/Leviathan Records is one of them I noticed early on.

 

[J. Golden]

No one is bitching. We are DISCUSSING it. We are comparing editions we own to things being purchased now. This is how people get information.

Also, SPV is totally pressing random stuff again. There are LETTER X cds back in print and not bootlegs because REAL distributors have them. Either that or SPV went through stock in some old warehouse and has tossed it back out there, which could be the case considering I find OOP stuff I have released and put it back up for sale.

and YES, amazon is selling CDR pressings of albums that are out of print. Labels sign up for this service. Chastain/Leviathan Records is one of them I noticed early on.

Just referring in general to people talking about it, yes know no one here is bitching about it.
As for "real" distributors I don't think that means anything; these boots spread around everywhere, it is not just small guys who carry these things.
Old stock is found all the time, and there is also the fact that albums are pressed in different territories, these factors and many others lead some people to immediately think "bootleg" and that is not always the case.
I have had three different pressings with different layouts of Crimson Glory Transcendence, I have original pressings without matrix numbers, my original Sabbat - History... CD insert sucked balls comparison to the boot. Not sure where I'm going with this, just pointing out somethings.

 

[Justin G]

One would think that all these oh so sharp "collectors" could piece it together when they are buying a rare CD for way cheaper than they normally see it for, or see several CDs pop up of a title that was on a label that has been gone for 20-30 years. Goddamn it is not that difficult to figure out. I have only been fooled twice, once from getting a Malisha from Retrospect years ago that was a CDr, and a Pretty Maids that came from Amazon (apparently they press CDrs).
It does get really tiresome hearing the bitching about it. Seriously most people would not even know who bands like Risk are if boots did not show up. Once they do all these "collector" guys start gabbing about boots, well what the fuck do they think it is? These guys are just like the guys that would come into the comic shop looking for the 0.00 Star Wars cards.
I think people would be really surprised if they knew what was actually boots and what wasn't.
Well fact is if bootleggers were not out there most of the bands booted would remain unheard of. Secondly to get those albums yyou would end up paying a hell of a lot more for an original. If that is your thing then more power to you I guess.

Hey, the person spending the money has a right to know if what he's buying is something original or something cranked out by the Russian mafia. I've got a few boots on my shelves, but I knew that when I bought them and paid a reasonable price based on that.

And getting into shades of gray here, but to me there's a difference between something obscure that was never pressed to CD initially and a copy of an out of print disc.

 

[J. Golden]

And getting into shades of gray here, but to me there's a difference between something obscure that was never pressed to CD initially and a copy of an out of print disc.

Nope no difference at all beside how the person decides to justify it to themselves.
I recall the conversation on your deck when Matt talked about losing his Sabbat in the fire that was then selling for over $100, and he said something to the extent of he'd rather have a $15 boot oppose to spending that much to get it again. At the time there was no reissue of it. Well I agree with that way of thinking.

 

[Metalliced]

Just please take into consideration that I don't own, or work at, a Record label/distribution company, like most of you in this conversation do. So, I don't know as much in regards to what I am holding in my hands, or the mechanics of obtaining such things, other than the traditional 'see-want-buy' concept. Given that, I had (or thought I had) a few legitimate questions as a buyer about the items I bought. A few of you were kind enough to answer my questions, and provide me with examples to compare with, to help me figure it out. Thanks,

In regards to other people, I didn't realize I had to pass a test to become 'worthy' of delving into the subject of buying bootleg CD's. I'm not going to get into it with you on this forum, but you owe everyone in this thread post an apology.

 

[Justin G]

Nope no difference at all beside how the person decides to justify it to themselves.
I recall the conversation on your deck when Matt talked about losing his Sabbat in the fire that was then selling for over $100, and he said something to the extent of he'd rather have a $15 boot oppose to spending that much to get it again. At the time there was no reissue of it. Well I agree with that way of thinking.

I'm sure you do.

Why not just illegally download an out of print album then? Hell, the band isn't getting paid either way.

 

[Headquake]

I'm sure you do.

Why not just illegally download an out of print album then? Hell, the band isn't getting paid either way.

This is basically my thought on the bootleg topic. To me, bootlegs are fakes and they don't sit right with me. Why on earth would someone want to buy one in this day and age when you could make one yourself?

 

[TribunalRecords]

As for "real" distributors I don't think that means anything

It does if you knew the distributors I am talking about. I am not talking about anyone in the underground. I am talking about big one stops.

 

[TribunalRecords]

This is basically my thought on the bootleg topic. To me, bootlegs are fakes and they don't sit right with me. Why on earth would someone want to buy one in this day and age when you could make one yourself?

Because I would spend $20 just on the ink cartridges to print out a cover and traycard. hahahaha.

Plus, for me, CDRs don't sit right with me. I would rather have a silver pressed bootleg than a downloaded copy offline.

And from my experience just reaching out to the number of bands I do most of them care very little about their past and the band. Not saying a reissue doesn't bring them around, but most of them have written off those years and never expect to see any money because they didn't see any money to begin with. just from my chatting with people over the years.

Again, just conveying why I buy them when no other affordable option is available.

Yes, bootlegs were my savior after my fire because of so many OOP rarities that were lost in it.

 

[Justin G]

Yes, bootlegs were my savior after my fire because of so many OOP rarities that were lost in it.

You knew in advance that was what you were buying though, right?

 

[TribunalRecords]

You knew in advance that was what you were buying though, right?

of for sure, and I do agree with the sentiment of knowing what you are buying first for sure. I bought some V2 discs off Amazon and they were definitely bootlegs so I let the buyer know I wasn't stoked at paying near collector's price for boots and he refunded some of my money which was fine in the end.

 

[TribunalRecords]

Just please take into consideration that I don't own, or work at, a Record label/distribution company, like most of you in this conversation do.

What the fucking hold up, eh? Join the party, start a label!

 

[TribunalRecords]

So BACK TO THE THREAD TOPIC, EH?

 

[Justin G]

One of these things is not like the others!

 

[TribunalRecords]

Forgot one! and another!

 

[Carbonized]

I gotta break down and get a copy of Solstice. Never been much into Death Metal, but from what I've heard of "Pray...", it seems too damn good not to own. Plus, the album sports one of my favorite Ed Repka covers. This is a 2-CD reissue, right? How's the stuff on the second disc?

Second disc is just a 2011 Remix of the Pray album.

So BACK TO THE THREAD TOPIC, EH?

What cover did you get?

And here's mine [click for larger]: