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[Morgan C]

I'm really baffled that this has become a 'IRs are worse than cabs = subjective" discussion, as it's anything but.

The point of an impulse is to model a specific signal chain, be it a room or poweramp + cabinet + microphone combo. It's goal is to accurately simulate something.

When something fails to meet its goal, how can that be subjective? Unless you're going to try to argue that impulses do in fact meet the goal of accurately simulating a mic'd cabinet (please, PLEASE try to make this argument), then how are you going to say that it's successive is subjective?

That's like arguing that the CLA 1176 Bluey plugin being worse than the 1176 Rev A hardware unit is a subjective, opinion-based matter. Goals were not met, thus result of the action is not as good as the original.


Seriously - are you guys going to tell me that the US losing the goddamn Vietnam War is a subjective issue?

Mechanical, single sample drum samples don't "meet the goal" of accurately and realistically replacing drums, but sometimes that's just what the music needs. That said, I can't think of an example where impulses would suit the music more than a cab.

 

[drew_drummer]

Mechanical, single sample drum samples don't "meet the goal" of accurately and realistically replacing drums, but sometimes that's just what the music needs. That said, I can't think of an example where impulses would suit the music more than a cab.

Well if you're riding the djentschlong....

 

[Matt-Steele]

Here you can hear it for yourself:

Ermz, thanks for posting these for discussion.

I can hear the differences you and Jeff speak of in your samples, but I don't necessarily feel the the impulsed guitar tracks sound bad or worse than the miced cabinets. They sound different. I like and dislike aspects of both the impulsed and miced samples.

For me, I feel there are other factors that are of more importance concerning guitar tone within a mix than if the speakers are convolved or live.

 

[Sepultorture]

I really can't put it any better than Matt Steele, i like both, they are different, that is all

 

[JeffTD]

Speaker cabinets are at least 90% linear, and 90% is not a failing grade. That said, the last 10% is as important to me as it is to you, hence I'm investing a massive amount of time and resources into replicating it. It's an obsession, but it also hasn't blinded me to the reality that miking up a cabinet isn't the only way to get a good sound or to make meaningful art.

That's your own opinion on the percentages - I'd say impulses are passable at mimicking a cabinet, but only passable in the sense that a D counts as a passing grade in GE classes.

I have never found an impulse based tone that I've liked in a mix - I'm sorry that my standards are apparently that much higher than yours/Matt Steele's/Sepultorture's, but it really saddens me to see people on this forum disregard real engineering and settle for worse alternatives so readily. We would've NEVER had this sort of discussion 2-3 years ago, not a chance.

Are we going to see arguments about how programmed vs real drums is subjective in which sounds better in a mix? Programmed vs real bass? guitars? How far is this going to go before every record we listen to sounds like complete lifeless shit?

 

[John_C]

Are we going to see arguments about how programmed vs real drums is subjective in which sounds better in a mix? Programmed vs real bass? guitars? How far is this going to go before every record we listen to sounds like complete lifeless shit?

Without a quite radical change in philosophy, not long at all. Cutting costs, weakening the power of the creative craftsmen through selling cheap, degraded, mass-produced alternatives and removing any trace of individual humanity is the name of the game!

 

[Matt-Steele]

How far is this going to go before every record we listen to sounds like complete lifeless shit?

Jeff, what sounds like, (as you put it) "complete lifeless shit" to you, might sound cleaner and more pristine to others. Like I said, it's all subjective.

I didn't say it before, but I actually prefer some of impulse samples Ermz posted before in comparison to the miced samples. I'm not going to say that the reason I prefer them are because they are derived from impulses and not miced though. They just happen to be from impulses.

Like I said, I feel there are many other factors in a mix that I see much more important than if the guitars are miced or convolved. If the mix sounds great, that's all that matters to me, and Kazrog's first demo he posted did not sound bad to my ears.

 

[Sepultorture]

Can we seriously oppen a new thread about this, cus this really turned a thread about a new Redwirez product into a debate it does not need

 

[Fox Mulder]

Yeh, I guess we could all get an API 3124 and a $2000 or so Apogee Rosetta AD/DA Converter, and one hell of a room just for the sake of MOVING SPEAKERS

Come one people, why can't we consider this a trend or something? I'm pretty sure people turn off the ANALOG button on their Waves Plugs to get rid of that analog hiss.

We complain about not having moving speakers. Why the hell don't we then move back to tape recording then? There are millions of us saying 'Digital Audio Sucks'. Even Bruce Dickinson.

Let's call it a 'trend', and then call it a day. Peace!