Ride Cymbal Gating??

[pipaguapique]

hey amigos?

do you leave the ride cymbal track open all the time or do you trim/gate it?

that will apply to chinas, splashes...etc.

 

[Erik Monsonis]

If I get a ride track I always manually edit it so it only comes in when needed, no real need for an extra bleed track

 

[egan.]

Automation here.

 

[JeffTD]

I edit out hat and ride spot mics when they're not being played. Used to automate, but it got to be annoying when transferring wavs between sessions and now I just edit it out completely.

 

[Ermz]

A while back when I asked this Andy told me he just rides the mute button on the ride channel.

 

[crosstalk]

Sometimes I automate the mute on the track and sometimes I just let it be there. Sorta depends on how the drummer plays and what type of bleed is introduced. I mic from underneath and get a bit of kick and floor tom bleed, but often it isn't at all apparent in a mix when I high-pass somewhere around the 800 area.

 

[pipaguapique]

I mic from underneath and get a bit of kick

same here...

but often it isn't at all apparent in a mix when I high-pass somewhere around the 800 area

wow...that's some hard core high-passing

 

[AudioPhile777]

...drum bleed in mics is what makes the kit sound real... I would say "Don't gate, attenuate."

 

[Aaron Smith]

I just chop it all out and apply fades.

 

[JamesNorman]

I actually never gate drums, that is my last resort all the time. i would edit it out were nit being played to save on cpu playback, but making sure you leave enough room before after/edit so it dosent just jump in on the listener.

Definitely hi pass it, also you guys ever though of using an sm57 on ride cymbals, been done with some amazing results my end and seen it on a couple of studio videos, coz the ride cymbal mic only sits low in the mix (on my mixes most of the time) then just attenuate the presence boost ( about 3k) the sm57 has

 

[Ermz]

Yeah, used a 57 on the ride for the Untruth stuff, also on a recent full-length, but that isn't out yet.

 

[ze kink]

I've never miced the ride separately, but I think I'd probably just automate it if the bleed doesn't sound cool.

 

[-Noodles-]

Isn't gating and editing out essentially the same?

The simple fact it's not playing is good enough reason to equate the two.

For the OP; No.

 

[greyskull]

Automate hats and ride here

 

[JeffTD]

also you guys ever though of using an sm57 on ride cymbals, been done with some amazing results my end and seen it on a couple of studio videos, coz the ride cymbal mic only sits low in the mix (on my mixes most of the time) then just attenuate the presence boost ( about 3k) the sm57 has

Yeah totally - it's usually the mic that gets thrown on there for me as my SDC's are on OH's and LDC's on hats/room (SM7b on hat now thank god). You really just need the attack of the ride from the bell mic'd underneath to pan out and add some width to the signal in the overheads.

 

[vespiz]

Yeah totally - it's usually the mic that gets thrown on there for me as my SDC's are on OH's and LDC's on hats/room (SM7b on hat now thank god). You really just need the attack of the ride from the bell mic'd underneath to pan out and add some width to the signal in the overheads.

+1 for SM57 on ride and hh. Depending on the mix, I'll use it to add body and/or definition (attack, pan position etc..).

Recently, I've used the Mute Region command and fades a lot when dealing with any close miced cymbals (using PT here, btw). Used to do it with automation, but it got awkward if I wanted to to adjust levels.

 

[Erkan]

Isn't gating and editing out essentially the same?

The simple fact it's not playing is good enough reason to equate the two.

For the OP; No.

Well, editing out takes longer but you have more exact control over everything. Being a control freak, I prefer editing out You can also choose to have some hits shorter and some hits longer, some hits with a different fade and so on. A gate is just a static solution. Could work wonderfully if you don't need that extra control though.

Also, editing out doesn't require an additional plugin which results in a CPU and RAM saving

 

[paladin shredder]

i would never put a gate on cymbal mics, you may get a really loud snare or tome hit that would trigger the gate to accidentally open.

 

[JamesNorman]

Well, editing out takes longer but you have more exact control over everything. Being a control freak, I prefer editing out You can also choose to have some hits shorter and some hits longer, some hits with a different fade and so on. A gate is just a static solution. Could work wonderfully if you don't need that extra control though.

Also, editing out doesn't require an additional plugin which results in a CPU and RAM saving

Well said man, also when i use gates i always find that it cuts in and just makes other things louder in the mix. Were as editing out allows me to bring the fade in slowley and have more control over the 'release' meaning i can fade out slowley or fast but it wont sound like its cut off like a gate does IMO.