Saddam Hussein is fucking dead.

[broken81]

Our country has been hijacked by democrats and republicans "rage against the machine" I think thats such a true statement. I bet my paycheck 9-10 Americans cant tell you any other parties that even run for president. Thanks to the media too or as someone called it earlier the propaganda box !!

Were the fuck is mancow i miss that guy we used to get him on the radio up in Detroit but he has long been gone . Is he still on the air??

Yea i got our band name from shit like this, society is just fucked up and for us leads to great songs!

 

[JBroll]

I didn't equate Saddam with fundamentalists - my point is that we have people bitching about 'oh, Saddam in power made things more stable'... for one fucking region. Stability problems are being discussed, and in the Middle East in general religion is a fucking problem.

Yes, I've read the Bible and Koran, among many other things - reading the Bible made me an atheist, and reading the Koran made me stop believing that Islam is peaceful. Our definitions of normal aside, that religion literally commands people to kill infidels, and that's a fuckedup. Our attention to the 'freaks' aside, I'd say that the temperance in Islam, or Christianity for that matter, comes not from the religion but from its surroundings - I believe it was Sam Harris that noted something to the effect of 'the doors to reason do not open from the inside' when it comes to faith. What's more, there is a higher concentration of Muslims in the Middle East than there is in the Americas and Europe, and since that's where the religion originated, and where there are far more influences on the surrounding societies, and I'd consider that to be a reason to eye that religion more closely.

Finally, a sweeping attack on Western religious tradition in general - people like to dismiss the actions of 'fundamentalists' as being not truly representative of the religion. I contest that on the ground that these 'fundamentalists' are going straight by the book and that if the instruction manual is wrong no different 'context' or 'figurative interpretation' will change that. I challenge everyone here to find an instance of ONE 'fundamentalist scientist' (!) saying anything more dangerous than 'Oh, my, if that theory disagrees with relativity and you cannot prove it, I shall have to... question the mathematics behind it!' or an instance of a fundamentalist Wiccan causing harm to anyone with impassioned nature-worship. When one follows Abrahamic 'holy texts' literally, however, one has many of the most horrid and unspeakable acts ever committed by man.

Jeff

 

[Wolfeman]

Nope, that was a nutbag theocracy that had to go and had a hand in 911. Iraq did not.

Yeah you keep thinking that.....

I think that NO ONE should comment on anything about Iraq, unless you have been there.

That would leave about 2 of us on here to talk.....

 

[everybody's x]

cool with me, I mean that PROVES it because I mean it's a painting and shit, who can argue with a painting?

I was referencing stupid shit like the 911 commision report and you know pentagon briefings

I'll step out I haven't been there, I keep forgetting that the first amendment was cancelled a few years ago.

Out of respect Wolf, I'll shut up about it, I appreciate that you did your job, my issue lies with who's giving the orders, and why.

anyway, I'm watching football and recording a band tonight, peace out bitches.

 

[Wolfeman]

Lol no don't stop, this is one of the best OT threads I've ever read...

I was just saying it figuratively.

BTW- We pulled that painting out of one of his 'homes'(if you want to call a city sized palace compound a home). I mean, I understand he might not have had anything to do with it, but he sure as hell liked the whole 9/11 thing alot.

The pool at that place was very nice too

 

[everybody's x]

Lol no don't stop, this is one of the best OT threads I've ever read...

I was just saying it figuratively.

BTW- We pulled that painting out of one of his 'homes'(if you want to call a city sized palace compound a home). I mean, I understand he might not have had anything to do with it, but he sure as hell liked the whole 9/11 thing alot.

The pool at that place was very nice too

LOL

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

My favorite thing on the planet:
"So you think the war is wrong?"
-"Yes"
"Ok I can respect that, but what should we do instead in reaction to 9/11?"
-Anyone? John Kerry? Anyone? Hello?

My theory for Bush's re election:
Democrates (at the time of the last election) were saying "get out troops home" (and yeah I agree with this). However when your in a war (weather you like it or not) you can't just say "Oh our bad, sorry about that we will leave your country right away, sorry for the inconvienice.

And my problem is there is no "alternate" plan anyone is offering. Everyone seems fine with saying "fuck the war."

 

[metalkingdom]

That would leave about 2 of us on here to talk.....

 

[metalkingdom]

I agree that this is a good OT thread.

FWIW, I do not agree with the Dems that we should hightail it out of Iraq. I think that we need to send more than even Bush wants to. If we leave, then the blood of 600,000 Iraqis is on our hands for absolutely nothing. That's insane.

At the beginning of this, I thought we'd have a Hard Rock Cafe Babylon over there by now.

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

I agree that this is a good OT thread.

FWIW, I do not agree with the Dems that we should hightail it out of Iraq. I think that we need to send more than even Bush wants to. If we leave, then the blood of 600,000 Iraqis is on our hands for absolutely nothing. That's insane.

At the beginning of this, I thought we'd have a Hard Rock Cafe Babylon over there by now.

I guess that makes sense to me.

 

[JBroll]

My favorite thing on the planet:
"So you think the war is wrong?"
-"Yes"
"Ok I can respect that, but what should we do instead in reaction to 9/11?"
-Anyone? John Kerry? Anyone? Hello?

I don't know, perhaps figured out what the fuck actually happened, why it happened, and thought twice about how people respond to the devil intervening in favor of an incredibly unpopular and increasingly fuck-you puppet government? Then, perhaps we could have devised better tactics for dealing with non-traditional insurgency rather than waiting for people to get blown up before hand. This whole let's-just-go-the-conventional-military-route-even-given-that-this-type-of-enemy-has-clear-advantages-like-cover-and-civilian/hostile-ambiguity just seems to be a little... fucking stupid. I would also like to contend that having the wrong answer is hardly any better than not having an answer, especially when the wrong answer leads to the wrong action and the wrong action's only survival skill happens to be that it is constantly pleading for more time and more of the same action.

My theory for Bush's re election:
Democrats (at the time of the last election) were saying "get out troops home" (and yeah I agree with this). However when your in a war (weather you like it or not) you can't just say "Oh our bad, sorry about that we will leave your country right away, sorry for the inconvienice.

And my problem is there is no "alternate" plan anyone is offering. Everyone seems fine with saying "fuck the war."

First, you lose points for polarization in an issue where BOTH PARTIES ARE CLEARLY FUCKED. Second, if we hadn't pulled out of Vietnam for the reasons we did... we'd still be there. Third, as I stated above, I don't think there is any merit to people having the wrong answer but defending their beliefs on the grounds that 'well, at least it is an answer... blah blah John Kerry blah cutandrun jibber jabber they probably want to give Saddam rimjobs', and the issue seems to be that the two political parties, which are the only ones that have media recognition enough to be drilled into the heads of 90% of the fucking population come election time, are either 'I don't have an answer' or 'I have an answer, fuck you if it's wrong because it's better than nothing' and neither of these deserve any of the merit they seem to pretend to have.


That said, anyone waiting for this asshole's answer? The first part of my answer is for all officeholders and decision makers shut the fuck up and read a book. The second part of my answer is to scrape together Iraq's military and shove them where we are so we can get the fuck out and try something else. The third part of my answer is a full-scale fuckoff to the people who are running their media and education propaganda and get rid of 'Kill the infidels, kill the Jews, the Holocaust never happened', replacing that with an actual education department with actual standards and safeguards against religion dictating its function (worst case scenario, it's better than Texas, right?) so that there can actually be some way for the people themselves to move out of their current mindset and have their own little Enlightenment. The fourth is to learn how to prioritize threats according to... how threatening they are - surprise! - and not according to what would be the most politically expedient.

If 9/11 should have taught us anything it should have been that people need to think, not adhere to strict codes of thought in hopes that the widespread belief in a doctrine of some kind will make it work.

Oh.

Fucking.

Well.



Jeff

 

[everybody's x]

right-o

 

[everybody's x]

Jeff you need an avatar, it is fucking up the symmetry of the thread for me.
I suggest this one

 

[JBroll]

Put one in, seems a little less cartoonish. Sadly, the low-res requirement does not represent the metal splendor of my majestic mane, but you get the point.

Jeff

 

[everybody's x]

I have no reason to put up a real pic, the cartoon looks just like me

back on topic, saddam's dead , mission accomplished, terrorism's over

And I said I was done didn't I?

 

[Gnash]

Were the fuck is mancow i miss that guy we used to get him on the radio up in Detroit but he has long been gone . Is he still on the air??

That's sucks you can't get him up in Detroit anymore. He'll be back! He's still on, though it's been a few weeks since I was awake in the morning to listen to him. It's cool, I grew up in the same area, and went to the same college as cow, so I run into him all the time, on weekends and shit.

 

[Loren Littlejohn]

I have no reason to put up a real pic, the cartoon looks just like me

back on topic, saddam's dead , mission accomplished, terrorism's over

And I said I was done didn't I?

Jesus you do like the pic

 

[everybody's x]

haha yeah, who'd claim it that didnt have to?

 

[Wolfeman]

At the beginning of this, I thought we'd have a Hard Rock Cafe Babylon over there by now.

Plenty of Burger Kings and Subways though!

 

[Genius Gone Insane]

You know what? You guys are all raising good points; however, there is part of the Saddam issue that you're leaving out: The U.S. government absolutely fucked this guy over.

The simple fact is that Saddam was an ally of the US until he decided to fuck with oil prices. DON'T FUCK WITH OIL PRICES. YOU WILL GET FUCKED BACK.

PS: I saw Dragonlord last night...best band most metalheads probably never heard