I'm considering buying the Schecter C-1 Classic and I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on it. I play mainly metal but a fair amout of jazzy material. I need a guitar that could accomodate them both. I was also considering getting a PRS, but I dont know if I have enough money to make that purchase worth it. So if anyone has any opinions on the C-1 or any other guitar suggestions please let me know.
Schecter C-1 Classic
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Kenneth R.
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looks beautiful, but it wasn't my thing as far as feel. I thought the glaze on the neck was kinda "sticky" for lack of a better word, and the pickups weren't so great. those can be changed of course...
i dont own one...
i do want one as well, but will probbaly end up going for the artist...which is toned down in looks, and doesnt have that neck-thru construction....or that nice vine-of-life inlay
but form what ive read, the pickup set up is amazing for cleans and blues/jazz and such...but not great wat handling alot of distortion...
i do want one as well, but will probbaly end up going for the artist...which is toned down in looks, and doesnt have that neck-thru construction....or that nice vine-of-life inlay
but form what ive read, the pickup set up is amazing for cleans and blues/jazz and such...but not great wat handling alot of distortion...
From my experience...
Just get a Fender Strat...it is undeniably the perfect guitar...it feels, plays, and sounds better than every other guitar you can get... I went through so many guitars looking for the right one and - in the end - the strat ownz all...there is a reason why everyone plays them...and its not just cuz hendrix did :Spin:
and please, no one come on here saying it doesnt do so great with metal...
I totally understand that "sticky" feeling on the back of many necks, including this Schecter... I hate that shit, i want my neck to be unfinished and smooth as a babies as
Just get a Fender Strat...it is undeniably the perfect guitar...it feels, plays, and sounds better than every other guitar you can get... I went through so many guitars looking for the right one and - in the end - the strat ownz all...there is a reason why everyone plays them...and its not just cuz hendrix did :Spin:
and please, no one come on here saying it doesnt do so great with metal...
I totally understand that "sticky" feeling on the back of many necks, including this Schecter... I hate that shit, i want my neck to be unfinished and smooth as a babies as
Kenneth R.
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my description pretty much covers my opinion of all the Schecter guitars, difference mainly in appearance. I'm more a fan of Jackson, PRS, but in the lower price range, Ibanez, Epiphone, ESP
edit: & if there is a guitar I hate, the Strat is it:
bolt on neck
straight headstock
single coil pickups
high action. i've reached my limit.
I did guitar construction & design for a research project, and those are my opinions. Still, the Strat is suited for some types of playing, such as surf rock, punk, ska, or anything desiring a twangy, metallic and treble heavy tone. i'm well aware that you can use various amps and effects to get a crushing distortion and endless sustain out of the things, but why not start at the source?
edit: & if there is a guitar I hate, the Strat is it:
bolt on neck
straight headstock
single coil pickups
high action. i've reached my
limit. I did guitar construction & design for a research project, and those are my opinions. Still, the Strat is suited for some types of playing, such as surf rock, punk, ska, or anything desiring a twangy, metallic and treble heavy tone. i'm well aware that you can use various amps and effects to get a crushing distortion and endless sustain out of the things, but why not start at the source?
NFU
I like pie.
schecter is decent for mass production guitars. however it seems to be that they put a lot more effort into the cosmetics of that guitar than in the playability. it looks pretty, but i didnt notice any difference in feel to a jackson, ibanez or ESP really. PRS is definitely a cut above the rest, but is indeed more expensive. my opinion would be you should buy a used PRS...same quality, but someone else gets to take the hit on the markup. or a used gibson les paul...again it would be more affordable for more guitar.
Tubbs
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I don't like stratocasters at all... except the fender X-II, those are fun. Otherwise, I personally like Ibanez's the best. Once I get a lot of money, I'm buying an 8 string guitar from either L.G.M. or Conklin... either way it will get really expensive...
Schecter's are good, IMO.
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Schecter's are good, IMO.
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I wonder why a Shred monster would like Ibanez the best??? Hmmm
I agree that Schecter focuses very much on cosmetics... and... while I do like Ibanez, and they have a few great axes, i feel they do the exact same thing...
Hey Ken, I'm sure ur reasons for not liking the strat are valid, its all subjective really...I personally don't feel strats have high action... unless ur used to action like Yngwie's...
admitedly, I have not taken any guitar hardware/construction/maintenance courses so I would imagine you are far more well-read on the topic...but just from holding and playing a strat and comparing it to every other axe in a guitar store - i could honestly feel the difference... Like "Hey, someone REALLY spent time on every single meticulous detail on this axe"...
and dont even get me started on the Eric Johnson signature model...
oh yea, and I use a Mesa triple rec to get my metal tones =)
I agree that Schecter focuses very much on cosmetics... and... while I do like Ibanez, and they have a few great axes, i feel they do the exact same thing...
Hey Ken, I'm sure ur reasons for not liking the strat are valid, its all subjective really...I personally don't feel strats have high action... unless ur used to action like Yngwie's...
admitedly, I have not taken any guitar hardware/construction/maintenance courses so I would imagine you are far more well-read on the topic...but just from holding and playing a strat and comparing it to every other axe in a guitar store - i could honestly feel the difference... Like "Hey, someone REALLY spent time on every single meticulous detail on this axe"...
and dont even get me started on the Eric Johnson signature model...
oh yea, and I use a Mesa triple rec to get my metal tones =)
Kenneth R.
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yeah, there's nothin wrong with Strats, I just feel for playing stuff like metal (original post), there are better options. now, the OP also said jazz, and for that, Strat or Gibson is the way to go.
true enough...i do, in fact, play only about 40% metal with my band... the rest of it is blues/jazz/country/trippiness jam band stuff....so strats and tele's are fuckin sweet in that kind of atmosphere...
what do you guys think of Gibson's anyway??? I actually have and american Epiphone Les Paul Lmt. that I payed about 850 for and it is honestly better than every single 2,000 dollar Gibson Les Paul I've ever played... to me, the Gibsons feel like a fuckin 2x4. And the thing weighs like 20 pounds
My Epiphone is way lighter and has a much sleaker neck (kind of like an ES)...
So, from my experience I find Epiphone to be a much better way to go if you are interested in Gibson's guitars...
what do you guys think of Gibson's anyway??? I actually have and american Epiphone Les Paul Lmt. that I payed about 850 for and it is honestly better than every single 2,000 dollar Gibson Les Paul I've ever played... to me, the Gibsons feel like a fuckin 2x4. And the thing weighs like 20 pounds
My Epiphone is way lighter and has a much sleaker neck (kind of like an ES)...
So, from my experience I find Epiphone to be a much better way to go if you are interested in Gibson's guitars...
Kenneth R.
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I feel the same way. Epiphone, despite it being the "Gibson Lite" brand, is actually constructed in most cases better than the costly Gibsons. Now, the Gibson Signature or Custom models are something else, but for the production versions, you're better off with an Epiphone.
for reference, I play:
for reference, I play:
- A '97 Jackson SL in Violin Red, Duncan Jazz/Distortion pickups, self-modded hardware. Neck-thru body. Lovely beast that one is.
Custom guitar that I built (as part of aforementioned research). Neck-thru body, gold hardware, Same pickups, custom (and by custom, I mean I drew it) body shape and headstock, 95% constructed with handtools over 5 months of a single block of mahogany I got imported from Brazil. clear natural finish. wave inlay design (similar to PRS dragon, it does not mark odd frets). This thing is 1 of a kind. What a feeling to sign a headstock in gold paint.
EveOfDarkness
musician
hey guys i ordered an Ibanez RG 7621 7 string not too long ago and im waiting to recieve it. I read really good things about it and that its one of the better 7 stringers out there. any one have opinions about it?
Tubbs
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You mean RG7321? What happened to that one? Did they come out with a new one already? Jeez.
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Kenneth R.
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Interesting, is it an older model? Can't find 7621 on the Ibanez site. They've got a 7321...
best 7 string I've played is the Steve Vai UV7 (also Ibanez)
best 7 string I've played is the Steve Vai UV7 (also Ibanez)
EveOfDarkness
musician
yeah its a bit older it seems (7 or 8 years).
heres a link to some info and reviews.
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/Ibanez/RG7621_7_String-01.html
i just saw it on ebay for an unbeatable price and i had to have it especially after reading the reviews for it. It should be coming in a week, i cant wait to try it out.
btw i want to try out one of those Universes Kenneth, ive heard great things about them. Things are expensive as hell though lol
heres a link to some info and reviews.
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/Ibanez/RG7621_7_String-01.html
i just saw it on ebay for an unbeatable price and i had to have it especially after reading the reviews for it. It should be coming in a week, i cant wait to try it out.
btw i want to try out one of those Universes Kenneth, ive heard great things about them. Things are expensive as hell though lol
Kenneth R.
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interesting. nobody mentioned the neck joint, which imo is a key feature for sustain and tone. other than that, it looks quite good.
EveOfDarkness
musician
oh ok im not super knowledgeable in the technical aspect of guitar yet but I learn new stuff every day. Thanks for the info Kenneth.
Kenneth R.
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a little guitar design 101:
Why is the neck joint so key? First, we know that pickups are not microphones, but magnets, converting a change in magnetic field caused by moving metal strings into electrical output processed to sound. Thus, the better the vibration, the easier it will be for pickups to do that conversion and send a hot signal to the electrical->audio converter, aka your amp.
How is this made easy? well, the string in question is fixed at two ends. these ends have a damping factor (if you hit the string it won't vibrate forever, due to air resistance and damping of the anchoring points). well, if you want the best vibration (sustain), the vibrational waves that travel along the string should be in sync with those that travel from endpoint to endpoint through the anchoring material (body, neck).
Now, we want this so that the waveforms do not cancel each other out as they travel through the instrument. If they take a long time to get passed a point, they will arrive out of phase and damping occurs. since the two anchoring points (nut, bridge) are often on different pieces (neck, body) the joint that connects these two things should be as seemless as possible.
imagine trying to pass a vibration through 2 pieces of wood bolted together, then through two pieces of wood smoothly connected with a secondary material (glue), or better yet, one piece of wood with no joint at all. these correspond to Bolt on, set neck, and neckthru construction.
and the body/neck material...the vibrations that travel also need to compress and expand the material at very small scales, so you want this material to be thick enough so that the atoms bump into each other when excited by the vibration but not so thick that it can't move when bumped. hence, i'm not a fan of plastic body guitars either. sure, again, use your amp, you can make it sound good. but why not start out sounding good? wood is generally a good material because it is dense, but not as completely dense as plastic. wood has pores. different types of wood are on different ends of this transmission spectrum and contribute to TONE. mahogany for example is denser, so it sounds deeper & warmer, while basswood is less dense so it has a higher concentration in mid to upper range frequencies of vibration. sure you'd think you want something really dense to get that thunderous tone, but then you factor in standing on stage for 2 hours with a heavy guitar. hence the tradeoff.
there's more but i won't get into it unless you guys want...
edit: I might add, though, the reason why all guitars aren't neckthru, is because if you break the neck of a neckthru guitar, it's fucked. you can't replace it since it's all one piece. hence the other options, if anything happens, all is not lost. they are also cheaper to make, at the cost of some sustain/tonality.
Why is the neck joint so key? First, we know that pickups are not microphones, but magnets, converting a change in magnetic field caused by moving metal strings into electrical output processed to sound. Thus, the better the vibration, the easier it will be for pickups to do that conversion and send a hot signal to the electrical->audio converter, aka your amp.
How is this made easy? well, the string in question is fixed at two ends. these ends have a damping factor (if you hit the string it won't vibrate forever, due to air resistance and damping of the anchoring points). well, if you want the best vibration (sustain), the vibrational waves that travel along the string should be in sync with those that travel from endpoint to endpoint through the anchoring material (body, neck).
Now, we want this so that the waveforms do not cancel each other out as they travel through the instrument. If they take a long time to get passed a point, they will arrive out of phase and damping occurs. since the two anchoring points (nut, bridge) are often on different pieces (neck, body) the joint that connects these two things should be as seemless as possible.
imagine trying to pass a vibration through 2 pieces of wood bolted together, then through two pieces of wood smoothly connected with a secondary material (glue), or better yet, one piece of wood with no joint at all. these correspond to Bolt on, set neck, and neckthru construction.
and the body/neck material...the vibrations that travel also need to compress and expand the material at very small scales, so you want this material to be thick enough so that the atoms bump into each other when excited by the vibration but not so thick that it can't move when bumped. hence, i'm not a fan of plastic body guitars either. sure, again, use your amp, you can make it sound good. but why not start out sounding good? wood is generally a good material because it is dense, but not as completely dense as plastic. wood has pores. different types of wood are on different ends of this transmission spectrum and contribute to TONE. mahogany for example is denser, so it sounds deeper & warmer, while basswood is less dense so it has a higher concentration in mid to upper range frequencies of vibration. sure you'd think you want something really dense to get that thunderous tone, but then you factor in standing on stage for 2 hours with a heavy guitar. hence the tradeoff.
there's more but i won't get into it unless you guys want...
edit: I might add, though, the reason why all guitars aren't neckthru, is because if you break the neck of a neckthru guitar, it's fucked. you can't replace it since it's all one piece. hence the other options, if anything happens, all is not lost. they are also cheaper to make, at the cost of some sustain/tonality.
I'm a massive fan of Dean guitars. The Evo's sound as good as, or better, than Les Pauls and feel and play much better in my opinion. And the Hardtail series, especially now that they've introduced a tremolo version, are pretty much interchangeable with any PRS I've ever played. And then you look at the price tag and smile.
