Schumpeter and the End of Capitalism

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In the last 200 years startling technological and material advances have drastically changed our world—advances brought about by the rise of capitalism and the bourgeois/middle class. Yet, can such advancement continue? Can capitalism, democracy and the middle class way of life survive?

One man, who pondered these ideas, was Joseph Schumpeter. Schumpeter was an Austrian-trained and educated economist, and later Harvard Professor, who developed the idea of business cycles, and more famously, greatly expanded upon a theory of evolutionary economics. So prescient was Schumpeter, that our current age has been called the “age of Schumpeter,” and his economic theories have been suddenly seriously talked about as the seminal theory and ideas of 20th century economics (not bad considering his competition: Marshall—who became influential in the beginning of the century, Keynes, Hayek, Friedman to name just a few). So, what were Schumpeter’s ideas? (if I am to assume that most here—although very intelligent—are oblivious to theoretical economics and Jos. Schumpeter).

Schumpeter, borrowing and revising upon Marx, Weber, and his own exhaustive understanding of economics and society, argued that Capitalism—which he found to be the most successful and beneficial force in human history—would destroy itself. He begins his seminal book Capitalism, Democracy and Socialism with a critical analysis of Marxian thought: cataloguing all of the many economic and evolutionary (for lack of a better term) errors of Marx, yet upholds Marx’s evolutionary form or theory of analysis. Schumpeter also criticized the untenable nature of democracy, and the errors of all neo-classical economics (equilibrium, rationality) and mathematical models. Let us start with his ideas on Capitalism

Schumpeter, argued that Capitalism would destroy itself from within, not from without or through class warfare like Marx and other commentators. Capitalism Schumpeter famously said was a process of, “Creative Destruction”. That is: “Innovation by the entrepreneur, led to gales of "creative destruction" as innovations caused old inventories, ideas, technologies, skills, and equipment to become obsolete.” Thus, Capitalism is in and of itself an intensely destructive process: the most destructive and revolutionary in all of human history Schumpeter argued. A process where the entrepreneur is the major creative force to bring about this gale. The entrepreneurs innovate, not just by figuring out how to use inventions, but also by introducing new means of production, new products, and new forms of organization. These innovations, Schumpeter argued, take just as much skill and daring as does the process of invention. Yet the future problem is how capitalism administers this creative destruction. Capitalism in its later forms as we are in, destroys this Creative Destruction. New innovations, processes, etc, are after the first few years of free and open market flurry, eventually stagnated and monopolized by a few big businesses; bureaucratized businesses which bureaucratize research and development, entrepreneurship, and thus effectively kill, or seriously stagnate the creative destruction process. Think of the Internet, hell, think of every innovation in the past 100 years. Each and every one has had a flurry of activity and innovation, which eventually peters out and falls into the hands of a few companies, which due to the very nature of Capitalism, monopolize and bureaucratize this innovation. Most of these big companies do not survive in this bureaucratized innovation, and disappear after 20-30 years. Again, look at the top companies of just 30 years ago, how many are still around? IBM (which has reinvented itself), and the flailing and failing car companies: Ford and GM.

But the elimination or stagnation of Creative Destruction was not limited to just these business and economic factors, but to the very nature of capitalism’s effects on society itself. As Schumpeter argued in 1942 (written in 1935), capitalism destroys, and continues to destroy traditional social structures and families, it produces short-term hedonism, it promotes education, and it supports or creates a bureaucratic professional class. The education, Schumpeter argued, would produce more and more intellectuals who would become more and more critical of capitalism; eventually all social structure which supported humanity so well throughout history would disappear creating immense problems, and the short-term hedonism and/or interests of people would create a world where politics, long term economic needs and desires, family life, etc, would become so short sided, that persons could become easily manipulated, would lose that old bourgeois long term goal to better their children, etc. Although the ideas about intellectuals have perhaps been the least fruitful of his predictions (although I know most intellectuals hate, or secretly and unknowingly hate Capitalism), the rest have been incredibly prescient.

Hence to sum up, in the distant future, Capitalism will lose that creative gale of destruction as the economy becomes bureaucratized by fewer and fewer, and larger and larger big-businesses; and thus the entrepreneurial function of capitalism which attracts the great minds of society (as wealth equals prestige) will eventually be lost. In essence, the world will become more amiable to socialism than democracy.

Schumpeter also probes the faults of democracy and socialism, and how socialism can be democratic, and why Socialism (not Communism, or in any way related to Marxism) is more amiable to the future bureaucratic monopolism of big-businesses and short term thinking, non traditional populace, than democracy.

(I think I’ve written too much for one thread, so perhaps his ideas on democracy and socialism will be discussed in more detail later.)

Hence, I ask if anyone has any ideas on this? Clearly, and as Schumpeter himself would be quick to point out, there is no set or fixed form of economic and social evolution, nor a time period, nor any fanciful appeals to revolt, etc; rather it is merely a general trend that most likely will occur sometime in the future if current economic and social trends continue. Moreover, I remind everyone that Schumpeter was not in anyway against Capitalism, and instead, proclaimed himself sad to make such an analysis.
 
Hence to sum up, in the distant future, Capitalism will lose that creative gale of destruction as the economy becomes bureaucratized by fewer and fewer, and larger and larger big-businesses; and thus the entrepreneurial function of capitalism which attracts the great minds of society (as wealth equals prestige) will eventually be lost. In essence, the world will become more amiable to socialism than democracy.

On the face of it, this seems quite a reasonable observation.

I've always been sceptical about signing up for any set-out plan for social evolution - all we can do is look at trends and hypothesise. I can identify with that viewpoint a great deal and I believe it holds alot of merit.
 
On the face of it, this seems quite a reasonable observation.

I've always been sceptical about signing up for any set-out plan for social evolution - all we can do is look at trends and hypothesise. I can identify with that viewpoint a great deal and I believe it holds alot of merit.

Yes, that is Schumpeter's repeated statement throughout his works: not a prophecy, a fact, a wish, etc. only an observable, and regrettable trend. But his critical analysis of Democracy is one of the best ive read. I should post it--was going to post it--but will wait for a later date.
 
This essay of mine has not been too popular, but something has been nagging me for awhile, so I'll comment on it anyway.

As I stated in the essay, Schumpeter believed the end of capitalism would be brought from within (which i still agree with), and he thought education--or the education of a ever-increasing class of intellectuals--would greatly contribute to this implosion.

Why hasnt this occurred (the intellectual class revolting or crusading against capitalism, as the rest of Schumpters aforementioned eschatology and economic prophecy if you will, has been more or less right on target) when more Americans than ever before earn college degrees?

I think its obvious since the time Schumpeter wrote this book--in 1942,during WWII--that education in America has drastically changed. In the 40's and earlier, college really was turning out well-rounded graduates, who had comparitively difficult courses (to the present),a fine background in the humanities, and math/science. Not everyone had a right after high school graduation to go to college; colleges were far smaller in size and enrollment; women had yet to enter the ivory towers (thus greatly expanding college size, irrespective of intellctual capability, which Im not arguing or pointing out--but the introduction of a whole sizeable group of people into a system does have some impact); there were no ridiculous standardized tests for admission; concerns about employability and learning practical skills were not important--college was about learning, critical thinking, not learning a trade that could be mastered later. After WWII this would all change of course.

So what is education today? In higher education in America (supposedly the best in the world), unless one is in engineering, medicine, or other specialized technical fields (where the teaching isnt exactly wonderful either, and totally made up of Vamsi's, Li's and other professors), it truly sucks. It has become standardized and bastardized; dumbed down and commercialized. Graduates enter th world without any basic knowledge of history, writing, philosophy, math, etc. And one wonders why our world is so screwed up. Why one can have conversations with persons with graduate degrees who have never read a book, scoff at knowledge itself, and hold narrowminded hedonistic opinions.

Furthermore, the idea of Schumpeter and many other commentators, that the media, newspapers, books, etc would be run by the intellectual class, and thus help shape the country (much like was done in Europe, Russia) was also wrong. Our news is for profit, publishing for profit; and few even bother to read books, read serious news, attend more serious films, cultural events etc.

I believe this is why the intellectual class never formed outside the bosom of the ivory towers.
 
This reminds me of that part in Orwell's 1984 where the main character, Winston, first reads the forbidden book by Goldstein. It says all societies eventually form 3 basic classes: high, the middle, and the low. They may shift into different forms but it will bascially stay in that heirachy. The low keeps it going but they just get enough to survive. The middle has a decent standard of living and the high has the highest standard of living. The middle attempts to replace places with the high and high tries to stay there on top. In the present, there is a large middle class (or bourgeois), a few on the high and the low are blue-collar workers, or sweatshop/factory workers in developing nations. It maybe set this way in the West now, but eventually this will shift and possibly into the the nightmare vision of 1984.

One academic notes this hierachy of high, middle and low through a materialist point of view that the ones in power are the owners of property and power. The higher class sits on top of the bottom who are the ones doing the production. The top consumes what the bottom produces. For example, in the feudal era, it is the relationship between land lord (the high) renting out land to farmers (the low). He says now thanks to industrialization, almost everyone can own property and products. Meaning unlike in the past where only a few has power, now everyone can own goods so power becomes more spread out. Resulting, in the large layer of the bourgeois or middle class and a democratic system with the ideal that political power will be shared across everybody. Speed, looking at this through Schumpeter's theory, in a capitalist system, power that was originally spread out will again be owned by the fewer which will be the large corporations. This as Schumpeter said, will stagnate the system because people would not bother to compete in the market when it will eventually be bought out by larger corporations monopolizing from it.

You noted how Schumpeter said how basic social structures in society will start to deteriorate. I think one strong fuel of capitalism is the drive for the "good life". Just look at how the West toiled on working to get it after going through the misery of the Great Depression and the World Wars. One good thing about capitalism is when it becomes successful it will raise the standard of living for the population. So, most people will have time, money and resources to spare. But the problem here is, that since our generation didn't go through that difficult time of our parents and grandparents, we are born under great wealth and we dont appreciate it. So, we can affording using that excess in pursuing empty pleasures like what the hippies did than concerning ourselves with long-term commitments like family. Another weak point of capitalism like what ANUS has noted is that it emphasizes just the material side of life than any real culture. Resulting, in people with no other purpose than getting some job to get by than pursuing something more meaningful. Finally, the other problem with capitalism, as Schumpter and Marx has noted is bureaucracy and over-specialization of labor. It may be efficient, when you need a certain professional for a certain task but everyone becomes seperate yet dependant on one another. Instead of people trying to be self-sufficient they just buy something or hire somebody to do it for them.

When it comes to post secondary education, it is no longer about learning but more about pursuing "whatever you're interested in" or a ticket for that job and the good life. It doesn't even take that much commitment or intelligence to get in, all you need is a high school diploma and some money. Both of it is easy as long as you're middle-class.
 
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I will have to track down some further summary of Schumpeter - I find these subjects very interesting. You'd have at least one reader if you went on to summary the political side of things ;)

As far as the intellectual class goes - I personally am hopeful that the internet may provide people with the means to more critically assess their life, place in the world, and what they can do about it. Personally I didn't pursue further educatio - 10 years ago my opportunities to pursue lines of thought like these would have been reduced, and my ability to find similarly minded people miniscule at best. Average people have been given the means to be far better informed, to exercise their minds, to make better decisions. The optimist in me believes / hopes that surely more will find their way to this path as time goes on.
 
This reminds me of that part in Orwell's 1984 where the main character, Winston, first reads the forbidden book by Goldstein. It says all societies eventually form 3 basic classes: high, the middle, and the low. They may shift into different forms but it will bascially stay in that heirachy. The low keeps it going but they just get enough to survive. The middle has a decent standard of living and the high has the highest standard of living. The middle attempts to replace places with the high and high tries to stay there on top. In the present, there is a large middle class (or bourgeois), a few on the high and the low are blue-collar workers, or sweatshop/factory workers in developing nations. It maybe set this way in the West now, but eventually this will shift and possibly into the the nightmare vision of 1984.

One academic notes this hierachy of high, middle and low through a materialist point of view that the ones in power are the owners of property and power. The higher class sits on top of the bottom who are the ones doing the production. The top consumes what the bottom produces. For example, in the feudal era, it is the relationship between land lord (the high) renting out land to farmers (the low). He says now thanks to industrialization, almost everyone can own property and products. Meaning unlike in the past where only a few has power, now everyone can own goods so power becomes more spread out. Resulting, in the large layer of the bourgeois or middle class and a democratic system with the ideal that political power will be shared across everybody. Speed, looking at this through Schumpeter's theory, in a capitalist system, power that was originally spread out will again be owned by the fewer which will be the large corporations. This as Schumpeter said, will stagnate the system because people would not bother to compete in the market when it will eventually be bought out by larger corporations monopolizing from it.

You noted how Schumpeter said how basic social structures in society will start to deteriorate. I think one strong fuel of capitalism is the drive for the "good life". Just look at how the West toiled on working to get it after going through the misery of the Great Depression and the World Wars. One good thing about capitalism is when it becomes successful it will raise the standard of living for the population. So, most people will have time, money and resources to spare. But the problem here is, that since our generation didn't go through that difficult time of our parents and grandparents, we are born under great wealth and we dont appreciate it. So, we can affording using that excess in pursuing empty pleasures like what the hippies did than concerning ourselves with long-term commitments like family. Another weak point of capitalism like what ANUS has noted is that it emphasizes just the material side of life than any real culture. Resulting, in people with no other purpose than getting some job to get by than pursuing something more meaningful. Finally, the other problem with capitalism, as Schumpter and Marx has noted is bureaucracy and over-specialization of labor. It may be efficient, when you need a certain professional for a certain task but everyone becomes seperate yet dependant on one another. Instead of people trying to be self-sufficient they just buy something or hire somebody to do it for them.

When it comes to post secondary education, it is no longer about learning but more about pursuing "whatever you're interested in" or a ticket for that job and the good life. It doesn't even take that much commitment or intelligence to get in, all you need is a high school diploma and some money. Both of it is easy as long as you're middle-class.

I will have to track down some further summary of Schumpeter - I find these subjects very interesting. You'd have at least one reader if you went on to summary the political side of things ;)

As far as the intellectual class goes - I personally am hopeful that the internet may provide people with the means to more critically assess their life, place in the world, and what they can do about it. Personally I didn't pursue further educatio - 10 years ago my opportunities to pursue lines of thought like these would have been reduced, and my ability to find similarly minded people miniscule at best. Average people have been given the means to be far better informed, to exercise their minds, to make better decisions. The optimist in me believes / hopes that surely more will find their way to this path as time goes on.

I'm so glad you guys have made such excellent comments on this thread of mine.

Murai: I think we see eye to eye on this one.

I very much enjoyed your hippie reference. In relation to the intellectual class I mentioned, the hippies were the intellectual counterculture, but what a feeble, actually materialistic, group-oriented popular-consensus revolution they made. We see just how conservative and vulgar these person really are, as they are now the leaders of America.

Also, I enjoyed your comments in relation to the great amount of time and resources to spare. I think we have the resources to spare, but not time. I think our present culture is indicative of this trend. With everyone needing to work to make a living--husbands and wives, 16 year olds and college students, 75 year old etc--time has become more and more precious, and instead of focusing on things like family, art, personal non-material growth, most fill their lives with vacous hedonistic pleasures, or further their quest for more money and things.


Blowtus: Profound point about the internet. The question will be whether the internet will remain as free as it has been. ALl the big networking sites etc. have recently been acquired by huge companies: Youtube by Google, MYSpace by Rupert Murdoch; UM has even been bought and sold a few times since Ive been posting here. I hope due to the nature of the internet, it remains so free.

And yes, Its a great, great benefit to google or wikipeda a name or time in a few seconds; to learn of some crazy band in Des Moines; to become friends with and have a conversation with someone thousands of miles away you otherwise wouldnt.
 
Dear Speed,

Thank you for your post on Mr. Schumpeter. I must agree with his analysis. I have only this to add:

The value of a democracy is delimited by the value of the citizens who make it up. At present we have a populace comprised of, in political terms, nearly valueless people. They have the spark of humanity within them, but they are nearly comatose, doing the right thing only as if by accident, rolling the right way in their slumber. Democracy in the hands of such people is mob rule, or worse than mob rule – the mob selects the traitor they have been conditioned to want in preference to the truly human leader they neither understand nor can fail to despise. They want the Communist Mommy, whether she comes in the form of a “beast-man” dictator figure like pseudo-Libertarian Schwarzenegger, who promises to “terminate” their perceived enemies, or as a candy-basket Socialist, or, simply, as someone who will preserve the status quo and let them continue to suck at their slave-labour produced, Wal-Mart-purchased wall-screen-sized plasma screen nipple with a beer in one hand and a remote in the other.

Capitalism itself is not the valuable thing, for capitalism is merely the British “free trade” corporatist yin to the British-originated Marxist yang. The whole “Marxist versus Capitalist” exchange is a hoax. Free enterprise is the important thing, and free enterprise can only be fruitful consistently to the benefit of the nation-state as a whole and the individuals within it, so long as it is well regulated within the American System of political economy developed by the Founding Fathers and seen especially in the economics of Alexander Hamilton. The government applies the General Welfare principle to regulate the economy with protectionist measures and infrastructure-building projects in order to cultivate the soil needed for free enterprise to grow in a productive, rather than a rapacious, manner. Regulating the government itself, in turn, requires a high-quality populace, a well-educated and highly-charactered, free, outspoken, and armed people who can reabsorb the government if need be and replace it with a proper one, from time to time.

Developing this high-quality populace is the project of Fremenism, the theory of which is being articulated in such works on this site as “Why Heavy Metal Is Poetically Superior To Rap Music” and “The Book of Ferro.” A Fremen is a human who not only knows he is human, and acts on that knowledge to the best of his ability, but one who understands the perfect principle of perfecting religion itself, and so has acquired his bestial Ego as an ally in his cognitive quest of promoting spiritual hygiene, Romance, and futurism in defense of the West and all the good it can possibly stand for. To a Fremen, rules and laws are as nothing except where backed by the gold standard of Natural Law. It is in his interest, so, to take a stand for human rights, specifically most of all the right to freedom of speech without which all truthtelling, and therefore progress, is impossible, and the right of self-defense without which speech is at the mercy of the wicked. He will seek out other Fremen with which to work, for he recognises that his prosperity and security depend on the relationships he cultivates with himself, his ancestors, his family, his comrades, his neighbourhood, city, region, country, language, race, religion, culture, species, and biosphere. Everything fits into a nested series, and the strength of the social fabric lies in how its smallest elements intelligently knit themselves together to form the whole cloth from which the body politic is cut.

Those who would promote Creative Destruction must realise what it means to creatively destroy themselves!

Narziss, rc
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