I've been pondering this for a while, and after watching this - - video, I think, oh duh. Haha, Does this work well? I'm guessing that's just stock standard foam with a mic hole...
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Share your tricks to minimise snare mic bleed?
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brianhood
No Care Ever
i remember when my old band recorded with jamie king, he spent the day tuning, micing, and taking drum samples. Then he tracked everything, quantized everything, and the he replaced all of the drums with the samples he took from my drumset earlier. Then we went through and I punched in the snare/tom rolls in the songs individually to make them sound more natural. That way there is no mic bleed at any time, and none of the rolls sound programmed/replaced.
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
Mind posting the end product? That sounds like a genius idea, but I'm not 100% sold on it. You wouldn't get the same OH bleed from cymbals ringing over tom/snare fills, would you?
KeithRT99
BOOSH.
Hahahaha
I listen to colors about four or five times a day
Anyway, it doesn't sound replaced, just really well recorded
I listen to colors about four or five times a day
Anyway, it doesn't sound replaced, just really well recorded
Morgan C
MAX LOUD PRESETS¯\(°_o)/¯
I don't have a lot of hihat bleed in my snare as I hit it fucking hard, but by the time I'm done with parallel compression (I have one track with a 30ms attack and one with a 0.5ms attack), etc. the bleed is fairly obvious, specially with open hihat work. I don't think you're meant to use parallel compression on real drums but it makes em sound so damn goooooood.
I heard of Bergstrand wrapping carpet and a tshirt around the snare mic to stop the hihat bleeding in. But I think anything really will work, and I've never found it to be THAT much of a problem, and my hats are REALLY close to my snare in comparison to many others. Like, overlapping it. I find toms and kicks bleed in louder, but rarely at the same time so a gate usually solves that.
Sample (raw): http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/324723/Edited3, Snare, Mix (1394).mp3
Would be really nice to get some raw samples from people here.
I heard of Bergstrand wrapping carpet and a tshirt around the snare mic to stop the hihat bleeding in. But I think anything really will work, and I've never found it to be THAT much of a problem, and my hats are REALLY close to my snare in comparison to many others. Like, overlapping it. I find toms and kicks bleed in louder, but rarely at the same time so a gate usually solves that.
Sample (raw): http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/324723/Edited3, Snare, Mix (1394).mp3
Would be really nice to get some raw samples from people here.
lolzgreg
Cereal Shipping Sneapster
I'm gonna assume that after he quantizes, he's only replacing the close mic'd drum tracks with the re-recorded fills.
brianhood
No Care Ever
yes you are correct. He then quantizes the punched in fills to match up with the overheads.
JeffTD
Senhor Testiculo
That sounds like it defeats the purpose of punching them in, then? If you dub them in to get the feel back, but then just quantize to what you had before... pointless?
brianhood
No Care Ever
the whole point is to have a snare/tom roll without cymbal bleed(so you can compress and eq to your hearts content), and without it sounding like it's replaced. It makes a big difference(especially with velocities), so i'd say it's quite far from pointless.
xMannequiNx
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This seems like crazy overkill considering almost every metal band is on a budget. You'd spend weeks doing drums like this for a whole album right?
btw brian do you mind sharing what band you did drums with mr. king for?
Erkan
mr-walker.bandcamp
Really interesting! I'm still thinking about how I should record my drums for my project which I will begin working on soon... I really want a kickass drum production, but I'm not very good at "advanced" stuff like you describe but I guess I will just have to suck it up and learn it once and for all. Is it worth it though? It would be nice if you could post a sample of this in action Brian, it would help understanding it a little better.
brianhood
No Care Ever
It really doesnt take that long. It took a day to set up/tune/track drums for 3 songs, then another half a day or so to edit/quantize/replace everything. Then a couple of hours punching in the rolls.
the band was mychildren mybride
Really interesting! I'm still thinking about how I should record my drums for my project which I will begin working on soon... I really want a kickass drum production, but I'm not very good at "advanced" stuff like you describe but I guess I will just have to suck it up and learn it once and for all. Is it worth it though? It would be nice if you could post a sample of this in action Brian, it would help understanding it a little better.
here is one of the 3 songs we recorded with him. The whole recording is pretty muddy, but its about on par with the other demos he tracked/mixed/mastered in 2006
the snare rolls sound pretty natural imo(at least compared to my recordings)
http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/536384/Brian Hood/mychildren_mybride-Boris_the_Blade.mp3
KeithRT99
BOOSH.
so all the rolls are sample free? it does sound natural when you go into the rolls, but it's obvious it's a sample when there's blasting. I'm trying to wrap my head around it.
