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MarkG

MarkG

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Not literally, but this really sucks.

I was dead set on getting the Saffire LE to do some decent recordings for our new album. My band however thinks our tone is fine, and they don't think we need better recordings. Secondly, they're not willing to pick me up and drive me to gigs....so I can't use my ENGL Blackmore live. I'm not taking that thing on a bus ride.

They want me to just use the Marshalls they have at the gigs, and get a multi-effects pedal for my distortion and effects needs.

Now it seems like I have to make a choise....either get the recording gear I want (Saffire LE) and work on recording tone...or get some Line6 POD /Boss GT-8 for live use.

Its a shot in the dark...but I was hoping someone here knows of a floor based multi-effects unit that will also take care of my recordings needs (recording instrument, amp direct out, if possible XLR for micing). I'm really hoping I can get something for the live use...which will also allow me to record. If I can't....I'll need to make a decision. Piss the band off and get the recording gear, or shell out 400 euros for effects I'd only use live. There's no way in hell I'll use POD distortion over my Blackmore at home.
 
PodXT with an FBV Express I'd say - Podxt's are cheaper than the X3's, and can still sound plenty good enough (especially with the metal pack), and the FBV express is small and cheap but does exactly what it needs to do. Or you could get a PodXT live, but I'd rather have the pod close to the amp so I wouldn't have to run a long instrument cable from it (and the XT Live is pretty massive). Both will work though!
 
Metaltastic said:
PodXT with an FBV Express I'd say - Podxt's are cheaper than the X3's, and can still sound plenty good enough (especially with the metal pack), and the FBV express is small and cheap but does exactly what it needs to do. Or you could get a PodXT live, but I'd rather have the pod close to the amp so I wouldn't have to run a long instrument cable from it (and the XT Live is pretty massive). Both will work though!
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Would a Pod XT/Pod XT Live allow me to record the dry instrument in to use all those wonderfull VST plugins and impulses?

Would a Pod XT/Pod XT Live allow me to record the ENGL Blackmore preamp output so I can run it into impulses?

That would be ace...solves my recording desires and my bands live needs...even though the recording quality probably won't match the Saffire LE...and the live quality won't match my Blackmore.
 
Well you can use the Podxt/Live as a USB interface, which would let you do both of what you want - however, my experience with mine (and also from what I've heard from other people) was that Line 6 Drivers are pretty crappy, so I couldn't get the latency low enough to be tolerable without all sorts of clicks and pops creeping in. I really wouldn't recommend it as an interface, unfortunately :erk:
 
They do work. You just need to make sure you have a fast-ish pc.

Anything below 3GHz in total I suspect will cause you grief.

But yeah, they will allow you to record dry and you should be able to connect it up to make impulses n that.
 
Öwen;8135133 said:
They do work. You just need to make sure you have a fast-ish pc.

Anything below 3GHz in total I suspect will cause you grief.

But yeah, they will allow you to record dry and you should be able to connect it up to make impulses n that.
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Have you actually used it this way though? And also, clock speed is by no means the only factor, but I get what you mean, and it should be easy to tell what's "fast" or not. Still, I'm not saying they don't work, but to get the latency even near tolerable as I mentioned caused so many glitches, pops, and clicks (none of which are present when I run my Onyx Satellite at 128 samples latency AKA 2.9 ms, and ditto with my housemate's Presonus Audiobox USB at 256 samples/5 ms, and his computer is pretty crappy - it's the driver quality of the Podxt, or lack thereof)

Mark, check out the Onyx Satellite, it's cheap as hell and works fantastically for me! (and I just tried it on my friend's store-bought computer using the on-board firewire port, and it worked great there as well)
 
Hey now, there's a big difference between having a license and access to a car dude! Spoken from extensive personal experience :erk:
 
Metaltastic said:
Have you actually used it this way though? And also, clock speed is by no means the only factor, but I get what you mean, and it should be easy to tell what's "fast" or not. Still, I'm not saying they don't work, but to get the latency even near tolerable as I mentioned caused so many glitches, pops, and clicks (none of which are present when I run my Onyx Satellite at 128 samples latency AKA 2.9 ms, and ditto with my housemate's Presonus Audiobox USB at 256 samples/5 ms, and his computer is pretty crappy - it's the driver quality of the Podxt, or lack thereof)

Mark, check out the Onyx Satellite, it's cheap as hell and works fantastically for me! (and I just tried it on my friend's store-bought computer using the on-board firewire port, and it worked great there as well)
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Well I definitely don't want any latency, that would mess with my recordings pretty hard. If I go for a pure recording interface, I'd probably get the saffire LE. There' something about purchasing discontinued products tha puts me off from the Onyx.


ahjteam said:
Umm... You don't need to take it into a bus if you drive to them it in a car and then parking the car somewhere near? Or are you like me that you don't even own a drivers licence? :zombie:
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I have my driver's license...but no car :ill:

It sucks so much! If I had a car I could just take my blackmore to gigs, and I'd just get me the Saffire LE. But as it is...I need to get something I can take with me for live sounds...but I really really want to record :yell:
 
utarefson said:
Yeah, you can set them to send dry di signal to your DAW while monitoring with processed tone. POD does it itself so I dunno where do you get the latency guys...
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Oh yeah, I forgot about this - still, you wouldn't be able to use your Blackmore through impulses this way, but at least you'd be able to use ampsims/impulses! (for what that's worth)
 
Metaltastic said:
Oh yeah, I forgot about this - still, you wouldn't be able to use your Blackmore through impulses this way, but at least you'd be able to use ampsims/impulses! (for what that's worth)
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For what its worth indeed....I'll do some more googling and research I suppose
 
Metaltastic said:
Have you actually used it this way though? And also, clock speed is by no means the only factor, but I get what you mean, and it should be easy to tell what's "fast" or not. Still, I'm not saying they don't work, but to get the latency even near tolerable as I mentioned caused so many glitches, pops, and clicks (none of which are present when I run my Onyx Satellite at 128 samples latency AKA 2.9 ms, and ditto with my housemate's Presonus Audiobox USB at 256 samples/5 ms, and his computer is pretty crappy - it's the driver quality of the Podxt, or lack thereof)
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Yes I have and I do. Edit: Although on the impulses I was going out on a limb. So I'm not entirely sure in that area.

Back on my old pc I was running 1.72GHz and 1 gig of ram, the ram definately wasnt the issue because there was a minimum in tracks, but as soon as something processor heavy was added then it would do the clicking and popping as you say.
 
Sell the Blackmore and get a bus-friendly Rev Jr for live and recording purposes and spend the remaining cash on a nice interface.

Do you have to take the bus all the way to gigs? That must be the biggest pain in the ass ever or do you guys meet up somewhere and drive from there? I don't really get it... and what do you mean with "Marshalls at gigs"? Does every venue your playing provide you with a Marshall head? This is slightly confusing for me... ;)
 
slashvanyoung said:
Sell the Blackmore and get a bus-friendly Rev Jr for live and recording purposes and spend the remaining cash on a nice interface.

Do you have to take the bus all the way to gigs? That must be the biggest pain in the ass ever or do you guys meet up somewhere and drive from there? I don't really get it... and what do you mean with "Marshalls at gigs"? Does every venue your playing provide you with a Marshall head? This is slightly confusing for me... ;)
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Sorry, I'll elaborate.

I don't have a car...so all my moving about is done with busses/trains/metro etc. One of my bandmates has a car, but he lives a good while away from me...so he really doesn't want to drive over to my place to pick me and my shit up, then drive to the gig. And I'm not about to lug around my Blackmore + footswitch through the public transportation system. I will either get A) mugged, B) raped or C) all of the above.

Most nearby venues here also have practise rooms, session rooms and guitar gear rental. With marshall at the gigs, I meant renting a 4x12 cab + head there. Unfortunately, they don't stock up on Peavey 5150, Mesa, etc.

So I've got an ENGL Blackmore here at home, but I don't really have the means to transport it to gigs. My band wants me to just buy a boss GT-8 or Pod X3 live, and rent the 4x12 + marshall head at the venues. I would need to use the effects unit for my distorion and effects, since they don't have a stupid channel switcher at the venues, which I will really need live.

If I could just get my Blackmore to the venues there wouldn't be a problem. I'd be a happy camper and buy the Saffire LE or similar for recordings. However, being able to play live has priority.

This is why I was hoping for a multi-effects unit I can take with me for live and practises....but also for direct instrument recordings, and line-in recordings for impulses and reamping.

Did I make more sense this time around?
 
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