I'd really vote trying to get a PodXT + FBV Express (or PodXT live) and Onyx Satellite, that seems the cheapest solution that'll take care of everything IMO!
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slashvanyoung
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Yeah, but I think it costs about the same (or maybe slightly less) as the options I mentioned above, and I'd much rather have an Onyx Satellite over a PodX3 as far as interfaces go! (2 mic preamps of almost certainly better quality, MORE THAN TWO OUTPUTS so re-amping isn't a nightmare, firewire rather than USB, etc.)
slashvanyoung
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Well, if he goes with the X3 he doesn't really need to have another interface... he could slave the Blackmore through the POD.
Edit: I didn't think about the costs here. If a POD XT + the Onyx comes close to the X3, I'd vote for XT and Onyx, too.
Yeah, but the only advantage would be having one unit over two, since I'd imagine the price would be around the same (Onyx Satellites are so cheap nowadays, they used to be like $300!)
Well, they are discontinued. I've yet to find a european seller for one...and how does the discontinued bit affect warranty?
A podXT live + Mackie would send me back about 400 euros. Shitsickle
I also have doubts about being able to slave the blackmore through the X3...I read the manual and I didn't find any such possibility?
My upcoming birthday will have to be absolutely rediculous if I am to gather 400 euros
Well "slave" is a bit of a confusing term; he basically means plugging an instrument cable from the FX send of the Blackmore (with it on standby) into the line-in on the PodX3, which I suppose would work with some clever routing; you'd have to set the PodX3 to only send the dry signal to the DAW (though in reality it'd be the preamp signal from your Blackmore which you'd later apply an impulse plugin to), and use a cab-sim only on the PodX3 for monitoring so you wouldn't have to listen to just the raw preamp signal OR, if you could get the latency low enough to directly monitor the preamp signal through an impulse plugin in your DAW, that'd work too! (but I'm thinking the chances of that working are slim)
And I assume that 400 Euro price is for them new? Used is the way to go dude! But yeah, you'd be taking a chance on the warranty, but my experience both with the Pods and my Onyx is that they're built incredibly solidly and have been problem-free!
OR, if you could get the latency low enough to directly monitor the preamp signal through an impulse plugin in your DAW, that'd work too! (but I'm thinking the chances of that working are slim)And I assume that 400 Euro price is for them new? Used is the way to go dude!
But yeah, you'd be taking a chance on the warranty, but my experience both with the Pods and my Onyx is that they're built incredibly solidly and have been problem-free!
Well "slave" is a bit of a confusing term; he basically means plugging an instrument cable from the FX send of the Blackmore (with it on standby) into the line-in on the PodX3, which I suppose would work with some clever routing; you'd have to set the PodX3 to only send the dry signal to the DAW (though in reality it'd be the preamp signal from your Blackmore which you'd later apply an impulse plugin to), and use a cab-sim only on the PodX3 for monitoring so you wouldn't have to listen to just the raw preamp signal
And I assume that 400 Euro price is for them new? Used is the way to go dude!
400 is for them used actually....a new pod XT live is 370 euro, and a new Onyx (if I were to find one) 170 euros, for a grand total of 540 euros.
If I were to get a line6 pod X3 live...I can see how I can just plug a guitar into it for DI recordings...and I can see how I can plug my Blackmore preamp out into the POD's effects return...but then I'd still need to connect the POD to my computer. So wouldn't I still need an interface?
Seems to me like buying your Pod or whatever is not a sensible long-term situation. If live playing is paramount I would personally be making moves to make transporting your Blackmore easier - by buying a car. However, if you'd buy a car and only use it to get to shows I'd sell the Blackmore and buy something smaller, maybe a Rev Jr as someone else suggested.
Seems like a Head/Cab combo is not ideal for you.
Seems like a Head/Cab combo is not ideal for you.
Nah, all PodXT's and X3's have a USB port so they can be used as an interface, but that's what I was talking about with my experiences with the sub-par drivers/pops + clicks, etc. Worth a try though, I suppose!
Joshua Wickman
Yes Sir!
Well the Engl is pretty useless at home id say. Sell that thing and buy yourself a car, Pod xt and recording interface and if you got any cash left a few mics. You can use the pod xt for live and recording then you have a car to drive (so you don't get raped!) and your now able to record your band or drive to a gig!! Problem solved i think.....
Meisterjäger;8136420 said:
As much as I would love having a car....its just not financially feasible at this point. I'm just a college student
A car would not only cost me a good amount of carsh to purchase...but there is also the gas prices and insurance to consider. I have no intention of selling my Blackmore. Granted, I can't really use it at its full potential....but this is an incredible sounding amplifier, even at lower volumes. The Blackmore is the most bedroom friendly ENGL head, from what I can gather. A couple of my friends use a boss GT-8/POD Xt live. Whenever they come over though...my blackmore completely drowns them out. Not by sheer volume (even though that would be cake) but it just cuts through much, much better.
Selling a blackmore to buy a rev jr to me, seems like taking a step back.
Metaltastic said:
They both have a USB port, but I'm pretty sure only the XT can transmit sound through the USB. They took that feature out of the X3 for some reason, and have no intention of implementing it (they'd rather have us buy a pod UX2).
and unfortunately, the XT does not have an effects loop for slaving. The X3 does, but that one can't record through the USB (from what I've read). Yeah, if only the XT had an effect loop to slave my blackmore I'd be set
Joshua Wickman said:
Selling the Blackmore will not get me a car, let alone a car + pod xt + recording interface + mics. My Blackmore also sounds much better to my ears at least, than what I've heard from the Pod xt. Selling the Blackmore to finance a multi-effects pedal to me just seems absolutely rediculous. That's like fucking a couch, when the hot girl next door is waiting in your bedroom naked
. If I am ever to sell my Blackmore, it would be in favor of either and ENGL Savage 120, or the ENGL E570 preamp + a poweramp.
The more I learn about the PODs and other similar units, the more I realise they aren't really what I need for recordings. So far the idea of the mackie onyx + pod xt seems like the most ideal solution...but its currently outside of my budget. I really appreciate all the advice and ideas given in this thread. You guys really helped me clarify some misconceptions, and helped me get a better picture of my options. Thanks so much! If I ever sounded like an ass in this post...I'm sorry. My anger wasn't directed at you, but at the month I spent saving for the Saffire LE just so I could spend the money on something else, I'd use once in a full moon.
It seems I'll have to buy the pod xt live for the time being, just so I can keep my band happy live. If the other dude could just pick me up, I wouldn't have had to shell out freakin 350 euros on this crap. My personal recording desires will have to wait.
Spank me and call me Suzie, because I feel like I got royally fucked over.
slashvanyoung
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Dude, you absolutely CAN use the X3 just like the XT as an recording interface for your Blackmore! They not only kept this feature for the X3, they even made it a better interface, because the X3 supports USB 2.0 instead of just 1.0...
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the problem, but why not just buy your own footswitch so you can use the club's Marshall for both clean and distorted playing?
Slashvanyoung said:
I just re-read the X3 stuff, and you are correct. I misread!
I believe I need a kick in the face...yes, yes that would work.
This means I now have two options:
1. Marshall switch + Saffire LE
= about 200 euro
- switching capabilities which I needed live
- 2 instrument ins
- 2 line ins
- 2 XLR ins
2. Line6 Pod X3 Live
= 450 euro
- switching capabilities I needed live
- added effects and capabilities live
- 2 instrument ins
- 1 line in, by slaving my blackmore preamp into the effects return
- 1 non-phantom powered XLR in
- I'm ruling out a mackie onyx, because I don't feel comfortable buying second hand.
This doesn't mean I'm not open to more suggestions!
Cool beans
Meisterjäger;8136695 said:I LOVE it when obvious shit like that comes into play
I know right? Its like looking for your fucking sunglasses when you have them on your head.
I'm going to present these ideas to the band...lets see what they'll say. I'm hoping they'll accept the marshall switch plan
Saves me a good 200 euros and a month of saving.*edit*
The footswitch pedal idea got shot down.
Awesome, I hope that works out. I think spending less money on live gear that is never going to be as nice as your "real" Engl rig anyway + more money on good recording gear is the way to go if you can swing it!
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hey man, as i was reading through the thread i thought of the footswitch idea as well, how come it got shot down?
and i would also like to add a +1 on mackie onyx, built like a tank and work like a charm
and i would also like to add a +1 on mackie onyx, built like a tank and work like a charm
It got shot down basically because
A) not all marshalls are compatible with the same switch
B) not all venues we will gig at will use marshalls.
Makes sense really...but it would have been nice if it worked.
As it is I'll probably end up getting a Pod XT Live, since I can't afford the X3. I read Joey got great results with the XT, so I would give that a try. That or I might go with a second hand Boss GT-8 for live and practise, and grab that onyx/saffire/edirol with it...depends on my funds after my upcoming Bday on sunday.
