Sign of weakness or display of courage?
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Kushantaiidan
SPASIBA AX.
Kushantaiidan
SPASIBA AX.
You can't just replace your ambitions and hopes like a tire.
For someone in pain, it's hard for them to do anything.
For someone in pain, it's hard for them to do anything.
jannett, not to pick a fight or anything, but is it that you CAN'T get it, or you don't WANT to get it? or is this just another argument you feel you have to WIN?
It's not easy. It is full of 3 steps back, 1 step forward instances, and sometimes you have to start anew. Life is full of struggles - there's no doubt about it. And if you didn't struggle/have life experiences, what would you learn about life? You'd be a sorry sap indeed if you were ONLY surrounded by happiness and perfection from your birth, and then when it's time to take responsibility and also deal with life's struggles and other people who did NOT grow up as ideal as you did, how would you be able to cope, when you never had the opportunity to experience those struggles? I think that experiencing death, sadness and the like make us appreciate happiness more. I tell you this: everything I've been through (and what I've told you is only a FRACTION of that), has made me a stronger person, able to relate to other people that have had similar problems, and much more able to deal with life's bumps and hurdles.
Hehehe...it's not about winning or losing. It's about what is right and wrong. What is it that I can't get? I don't agree with what is being said, and I am defending my position. This is a very hot issue (suicide). I state my opinion, then I am challenged, then I come back with a defense, and they have to defend their opinion. It stops being challenged until one common agreement is reached. Or someone gives up - but then you're accused of not backing up your words. If you see it as fighting, oh well, that's on you.
Belial
Rainbow Demon
Sullen Jester
Corporate Executive
Raven777
Discipline In Nothing
Well, if there's one thing we can get from this...
we're all in this together.
Best wishes to y'all
we're all in this together.
Best wishes to y'all
RETIREDTrapped
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Exactly. What else can I do?
Like Kushan said, you can't replace dreams like a flat tyre.
Even the small little things, the smaller dreams, eventually live their course, and eventually die.
Eg 1: One of my dreams was to meet Chuck Schuldiner (he was a big inspiration, and has had a huge impact on the way that i see things.) That dream is now gone. I still have everything he left behind, and his legacy, but i will never even get to thank the guy for helping me.
Eg 2: Find someone that i love, someone that loves me. I actually lived this dream, but it was taken away from me.
Eg 3: Winning this debate. I will never win, you have too many counter-arguaments damn you...!
this is EXACTLY what your not getting. it CANT be about right or wrong, whats right for you isnt right for me and vice versa and everyone else thats contributing to this thread. its very individualized.
May be individualized, but that's why people AGREE or DISAGREE with an opinion: they view the opinion right or wrong. Why would anyone challenge a view if they didn't see it as wrong? What's the point of challenging it then? If you have an opinion, you've got to back it up convincingly and with evidence. You can't be taken seriously when you state a strong feeling about something and then can't back it up. These are what debates are all about. We are in a suicide thread - a ripe area for heads to butt on a subject.
RETIREDTrapped
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This isn't really a topic that you can either think is 'right or wrong'.
We're not talking about wether we think suicide is right or wrong, because that can't be done.
We're not talking about wether we think suicide is right or wrong, because that can't be done.
Sullen Jester
Corporate Executive
Originally posted by Trapped
Exactly. What else can I do?
Like Kushan said, you can't replace dreams like a flat tyre.
Even the small little things, the smaller dreams, eventually live their course, and eventually die.
Eg 1: One of my dreams was to meet Chuck Schuldiner (he was a big inspiration, and has had a huge impact on the way that i see things.) That dream is now gone. I still have everything he left behind, and his legacy, but i will never even get to thank the guy for helping me.
Eg 2: Find someone that i love, someone that loves me. I actually lived this dream, but it was taken away from me.
Eg 3: Winning this debate. I will never win, you have too many counter-arguaments damn you...!
Yeap, you knew it was coming..hehehe..
Eg 1: Ok, your dream was meeting Chuck Schuldiner - a valid dream of course. But will NOT meeting him make you commit suicide? Of course not! That would mean Chuck had your life in his hands. That's one hell of a sign of weakness on your part if this was the case. And I'm sure this is not the case with you. And since his death was out of your hands, there is absolutely nothing you can do about this. Will you allow his death to ruin your life? Will you allow his death to dictate your feelings, hopes, and other dreams you may have? I don't think so. I'm sure you have other dreams that are just as important (if not more so), than meeting an entertainer.
Eg 2: It was taken away from you. Ok, I'm sorry to hear that, but you can (and will, if you so desire), find someone else. You will always have this person in your heart, but you cannot allow the loss of this person to dictate your future. You grieve, and then you move on. This person is out of your life, but you're NOT, and you can't ignore your heart which needs the love you desire. Someone who is not there will not give it to you; you need flesh and blood, and to get that, you need to move on and get someone else...
And the closer it is to accuracy, the closer it is to being right.
accuracy: 1. conformity to fact. 2. Precision; exactness.
Guys, ask yourself this: what is the point of debating? You view someone's opinion as off the beaten path, either WAY off or slightly, and you try to correct them. A valid argument will be based on evidence and fact, not solely on opinions. When you see a post you agree with - you say "damn, you're right, I agree with you." If it's a post you don't agree with, you state your case as to why the post is wrong, but you must respond, again, with evidence and fact.
debate: v. 1. to consider; deliberate. 2 To discuss opposing points. 3. To discuss or argue formally; n. 1. an argument. 2. Deliberation; consideration. 3. A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.
jannet. THIS IS NOT AND CANT BE about right or wrong for arguments sake or not. face it, we will NEVER agree, because you are not me and you haven't lived my life, and vice versa. though everyone may have similar experiences and whatnot, we are not and never will be the same person. the only thing you have established in your argument is that suicide is not right for YOU. try telling that to someone who is committing suicide right now. the same experience will not affect two people exactly the same. they will all have different responses and repurcussions to everything they do and is done TO them, experiences etc. and you can't say you'll NEVER do it either. kind of like you said in another post you couldn't see financial difficulty on the horizon, so you had a child because you felt you were in a position to do so. you don't know what could happen tomorrow. how things could affect you. anyones world can be totally turned on a dime.
Belial
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Obyeybyeogone
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My opinion, give it up, call it a draw, I think everyone understands everyones' opinions. And Belial, your little smiley face band is broken.
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