Sleep paralysis/False awakenings

[Kvlt Wench]

Where do you make the jump from a faint sound to ghosts? The noise could be anything... it's your preconceptions that make you jump to the paranormal.

Oh and the tampon thing is very clever. I guess it's a pretty good diversion to the fact that you can't come up with an actual argument for your case.

 

[neal]

Still nobody's given me that statistical chance that I would receive a strange, garbled voice message the day after my grandma died. Can I really attribute it to some sort of technical error, since that was the ONLY time it's ever happened, ever? On that day, of all days? And, what about the chance that both me AND her sister would receive those messages the day after she died...? Her sister wasn't even aware of the calls my grandma received in the past, nor of her intention to contact us via phone.

a family member that knew about grammas promise to try to call from the afterlife? a family member on a bad cell connection?

ive heard these ghost stories from people who appear to be otherwise sane, but its still difficult to accept having never had the experience yourself.

 

[Kvlt Wench]

Still nobody's given me that statistical chance that I would receive a strange, garbled voice message the day after my grandma died. Can I really attribute it to some sort of technical error, since that was the ONLY time it's ever happened, ever? On that day, of all days? And, what about the chance that both me AND her sister would receive those messages the day after she died...?

Doesn't sound that improbable. Of course I didn't actually hear either of those messages, so you can't discount the possible that your perception of the event isn't skewed. Memory is pretty unreliable.

 

[Tide In Mind Out]

a family member that knew about grammas promise to try to call from the afterlife?

ive heard these ghost stories from people who appear to be otherwise sane, but its still difficult to accept having never had the experience yourself.

Nobody outside of our immediate family knew about it. And nobody CALLED me; there was no number associated with the message at all.

 

[Cat5Messiah]

Where do you make the jump from a faint sound to ghosts? The noise could be anything... it's your preconceptions that make you jump to the paranormal.

This is very true. Although, the noise could possibly be a legitimate reason to jump to the paranormal. It is skepticism and/or close-mindedness that makes an individual jump to naivety.

 

[neal]

Nobody outside of our immediate family knew about it. And nobody CALLED me; there was no number associated with the message at all.

ive gotten voice mails without a "missed call" plenty of times

 

[Tide In Mind Out]

Well I haven't. Only the one time.

 

[Kvlt Wench]

This is very true. Although, the noise could possibly be a legitimate reason to jump to the paranormal. It is skepticism and/or close-mindedness that makes an individual jump to naivety.

If you're so scientific you should know that science works by using evidence to draw a conclusion, not assuming the conclusion and then finding evidence to support it.

 

[Liverslapper]

Where do you make the jump from a faint sound to ghosts? The noise could be anything... it's your preconceptions that make you jump to the paranormal.

Oh and the tampon thing is very clever. I guess it's a pretty good diversion to the fact that you can't come up with an actual argument for your case.

I don't need to come up with an argument for my "case" because I really don't care what you have to say.

Get over yourself.

 

[Tide In Mind Out]

It's getting nasty in here! Hardcore skeptics will always be skeptics no matter what evidence is produced, scientific or otherwise. There will always be some way to argue against it, because science isn't always 100% correct itself.

 

[Tide In Mind Out]

I think we can all pretty much agree on

 

[Cat5Messiah]

I did in fact retract my use of the word "prove" (or any variation thereof) and replaced it with "suggest". My conclusions that make me believe the existence of the paranormal is real are drawn from my personal experiences that cannot be shared with others. As far as the evidence is concerned, the possibility of disproving is possible but it has yet to be. I try to look at evidence from a scientific point of view but personal experiences, especially vivid ones, cannot be explained by science other than the possibility of visual/auditory hallucinations. Though, because of the amount of times these experiences have occurred, I say it's safe to rule that possibility out.

Theories work with assumed conclusions and are supported by evidence. For example, Einstein's Theory of Relativity is an assumed conclusion and individuals dedicate their expertise to support or disprove it. The conclusion is drawn: it just needs factual evidence to prove its reality.

 

[El Stormo]

I think you'd sleep better at night if you got nudes of that chick.

You're not getting them even when I do, just so you know

fucking LOL at "confirmed by research"

Indeed, but also a little LOL at "MANY friends in high places you can't even imagine". Sorry, Karen, but if you accuse the other guy of blowharding, the pot's kinda calling the kettle black

It's getting nasty in here!

Yeah. Stop fucking up my thread, dumbshits! It's actually one of the few threads in here where people are exchanging ideas without being assholes, so those who want to bicker like school children, piss off.

As for your phone call, Cawa, it could be what you think it is, but there are other explanations too. And usually the most logical one is the most accurate. Not saying I don't believe you, but just saying that your explanation is only one of the possibilities, and in this case, it seems like the most far-fetched. But again, I am not saying I don't believe you - we weren't there and we didn't feel the way you did when you got that call, same way you guys didn't feel what I did when I was paralyzed.

 

[Liverslapper]

This happens every once in awhile. I'll be almost in a dream state then feel like i'm falling. I then wake up like I'm falling over but I'm not but I wake up very suddenly like I was waking up from a bad dream. Has this happened to anyone else?

 

[Morbides]

Yup.

 

[El Stormo]

This happens every once in awhile. I'll be almost in a dream state then feel like i'm falling. I then wake up like I'm falling over but I'm not but I wake up very suddenly like I was waking up from a bad dream. Has this happened to anyone else?

To everyone. I explained that earlier in the thread. When you fall asleep, your heart switches rhythms to a slower one. If it doesn't switch just right, you get that falling sensation and your body wakes up, because you would die if you didn't have that reflex. Babies don't have that reflex yet, which is the reason for crib death.

 

[Dead_Lioness]

Indeed, but also a little LOL at "MANY friends in high places you can't even imagine". Sorry, Karen, but if you accuse the other guy of blowharding, the pot's kinda calling the kettle black

.

A) Saying that line does sound funny, I'll give you that, but it's very true.
B) I never 'name drop' the fact that I do in fact, have many friends in high places but it was appropriate after saying something as idiotic as: "the US GOVERNMENT has a yearly budget for researching astral projections"

pardon me, while I give you the SNL "REALLY!"

Astral projection?


REALLY!









and what scares me most about all of you non-skeptics, is the fact that you are using scientific language to describe something completely non scientific.

Don't use Einstein's Theory of Relativity as a synonymous to Effing mambo-jumbo ghosts or paranormal activity.

Theories work with assumed conclusions and are supported by evidence.

Oh dear.

No.


Theory (From Miriam-Webster Dictionary)

1 : the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
2 : abstract thought : speculation
3 : the general or abstract principles of a body of fact, a science, or an art
4 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena <the wave theory of light>
6 a : a hypothesis assumed for the sake of argument or investigation b : an unproved assumption : conjecture c : a body of theorems presenting a concise systematic view of a subject <theory of equations>

Theories are distinct from theorems: theorems are derived deductively from theories according to a formal system of rules, generally as a first step in testing or applying the theory in a concrete situation. Theories are abstract and conceptual, and to this end they are never considered right or wrong. Instead, they are supported or challenged by observations in the world and often dismissed.

Sometimes theories are falsified, meaning that an explicit set of observations contradicts some fundamental assumption of the theory, but more often theories are revised to conform to new observations, by restricting the class of phenomena the theory applies to or changing the assertions made. Sometimes a theory is set aside by scholars because there is no way to examine its assertions analytically; these may continue on in the popular imagination until some means of examination is found which either refutes or lends credence to the theory.

Ghosts, spirits, astral projection, or whatever are NOT a theory nor supported by any theorems or set of facts that support said "theory"
A theory does not contain evidence, but a set of theorems or ideas that were not proven wrong.



I do not doubt for a second, that you guys really think you saw what you saw. I actually believe you saw 'something' or felt it.
But I do not believe that what you saw or felt, was what you think it is.

 

[Dead_Lioness]

This happens every once in awhile. I'll be almost in a dream state then feel like i'm falling. I then wake up like I'm falling over but I'm not but I wake up very suddenly like I was waking up from a bad dream. Has this happened to anyone else?

YES!

It seems like it happens right at the beginning of the night, when I first fall asleep for the first time... then WHOA! I wake up thinking I fell down.

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

Yeah that happens to me from time to time. The weird thing is, I always hear myself making a little noise when it happens, but I'm never sure if I actually did or if I imagined it.

 

[El Stormo]

Yeah that happens to me from time to time. The weird thing is, I always hear myself making a little noise when it happens, but I'm never sure if I actually did or if I imagined it.

You did it. Most people do.