so, who wants to see Tookie get nuked?

[neal]

And it's been proved in the US that putting somebody to death costs more than shoving them in jail for life

i know this. it costs waaaay fucking more. thats why i was saying its an even bigger waste of money to do all that and let him off the hook at the last second anyway. i was kidding, sort of, as i dont really give a shit either way.

 

[Nate The Great]

My comment sprang from the fact that a few years ago I read over here that it was the case in Texas as well, that executions cost more than life imprisonment. The Texan governor's response was along the lines of "well then we should cut down on the appeals process". So if the situation has changed since I read it, I was assuming that was exactly what had happened.

That's probably true, but the media usually tells an incomplete story.

 

[Dick Sirloin]

Funk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hip-Hop


WE WANT THE FUNK!!!!

 

[En Vind Av Sorg]

George Clinton for president.

 

[Ellestin]

I think society has to bear the responsibility for the "deviant behaviour" it keeps spawning. Insofar as this is acknowledged, getting rid of a "monster" through death penalty is as much a cowardly act on the part of the authorities as the killing of innocent people on the part of the death-chaired, and certainly not an answer in the long run.

Addressing the wrong issues with wrong solutions is trendy. And the fact that executing someone costs more than keeping him alive in jail (new to me) makes it even more of a sorry joke.

 

[NAD]

jesus christ, i can't believe this turned serious. i mean, you saw the pictures i posted right?

gugs, you base your punishment on the bible, that's gay.

 

[NAD]

Society has no use for murderers, rapists, and child molesters. Either kill them or lock them up forever after their first offense. It's not that hard to follow the rules.

yeah, i agree with that. the problem lies within the justice system with people getting framed for crimes they didn't commit. this Dookie dude apparently maintained his innocence until the end. did he do it? well i don't fucking know. he's a giant nukklah (a giant dead nukklah now) and once again, i found some hilarity in a serious issue. surprise surprise surprise.

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

Actually, I don't. I just happen to share similarities in the way I think on this particular topic I guess (besides, it was Old Testament, wasn't it?).

You kill someone, you forfeit your rights as a human being. End. Of. Story.

 

[NAD]

what about self defense?

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

what about self defense?

Damn you and your technicality! You're right, I shouldn't have made such a concrete blanket statement.

Someone is threatening you or your family with potentially fatal harm, sure. Someone has broken into your home (i.e. your property) to again potentially cause fatal harm, sure.

I meant just in like, the murder kind of way. I would never say someone who's charged with 3rd-degree vehicular manslaughter should get the death penalty.

 

[NAD]

therein lies the problem though, the grey area if you will.

i'm not saying i approve of 20 years worth of retrials and thousands of juries for one case, but then again, i'd much rather have that than some innocent dude getting fried. like Marv, he didn't do them shitz!

 

[cthulufhtagn]

Oh, well, I didn't realize that writing a fucking book ought to give you a pardon for FUCKING KILLING FOUR PEOPLE.

i'm not even gonna bother reading the rest of the thread before i reply to this post

you like big text? is this big enough for you?

I KNOW WHAT HE DID, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING HE BE PARDONED

honestly man, i really thought you were smarter than that. how many times do i have to say he shouldn't be pardoned before you read it?

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[cthulufhtagn]

Another point: Does society benefit from having this Dookie guy around? Not as far as I'm concerned. Who gives a fuck if he wrote some books that preach against violence? If you're going to have him in prison, he shouldn't be able to communicate with the rest of society. He's already proven that he can't be trusted.

Society has no use for murderers, rapists, and child molesters. Either kill them or lock them up forever after their first offense. It's not that hard to follow the rules.

murder, rape, and molestation are sick crimes, frequently committed by sick people. call me a left-wing faggot california liberal, but sick people deserve treatment and rehabilitation, not merely punishment. this does not preclude their removal from the rest of society because i agree, those who have committed such crimes have demonstrated their inability to meet a commonly agreed-upon standard of behavior. if a person is unable to be adequately rehabilitated then there is no choice but to continue their isolation from society, lest they again threaten the community at large.

however, the power over life and death is one i'd rather not grant the state. i have little faith in the american judicial process and oppose the use of the death penalty in all cases, regardless of circumstance. better a murderer have a lifetime to consider the consequences of their actions and perhaps, as stanley williams did, have a chance to make up for their crime in some small way. before i get any more flames, please note: am i suggesting that everyone who writes a book should be able to get away with murder? of course not, that's ludicrous. but the death penalty is an unneccessary exercise of state power run amok. stanley williams, posing no further danger to society (lest we forget) should have been allowed to continue his anti-gang work.

as i see it, the argument comes down to a simle case of reason versus bloodlust.

 

[Conspicuously Absent]

eye for an eye hardly makes the problem go away.

he kills somebody, so we kill him.

Germans killed a fuckton of jews. Should the jews not turn around and slaughter a shitload of germans?

Hardly. Different aspects I know, but you're making basically the same arguement.

 

[Erik]

Germans killed a fuckton of jews. Should the jews not turn around and slaughter a shitload of germans?

They're welcome to try IMO, but I don't think all that many germans live in Israel

 

[Nate The Great]

eye for an eye hardly makes the problem go away.

he kills somebody, so we kill him.

Germans killed a fuckton of jews. Should the jews not turn around and slaughter a shitload of germans?

Hardly. Different aspects I know, but you're making basically the same arguement.

That's a pretty stupid statement. All Germans didn't kill Jews. SPECIFIC people killed Jews.

 

[Nate The Great]

murder, rape, and molestation are sick crimes, frequently committed by sick people. call me a left-wing faggot california liberal, but sick people deserve treatment and rehabilitation, not merely punishment. this does not preclude their removal from the rest of society because i agree, those who have committed such crimes have demonstrated their inability to meet a commonly agreed-upon standard of behavior. if a person is unable to be adequately rehabilitated then there is no choice but to continue their isolation from society, lest they again threaten the community at large.

however, the power over life and death is one i'd rather not grant the state. i have little faith in the american judicial process and oppose the use of the death penalty in all cases, regardless of circumstance. better a murderer have a lifetime to consider the consequences of their actions and perhaps, as stanley williams did, have a chance to make up for their crime in some small way. before i get any more flames, please note: am i suggesting that everyone who writes a book should be able to get away with murder? of course not, that's ludicrous. but the death penalty is an unneccessary exercise of state power run amok. stanley williams, posing no further danger to society (lest we forget) should have been allowed to continue his anti-gang work.

as i see it, the argument comes down to a simle case of reason versus bloodlust.

You left-wing faggot California liberal!

For the record: this whole death penalty debate has been done numerous times around here. Probably before some of you were here. Just saying . . .

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

i'm not even gonna bother reading the rest of the thread before i reply to this post

you like big text? is this big enough for you?

I KNOW WHAT HE DID, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING HE BE PARDONED

honestly man, i really thought you were smarter than that. how many times do i have to say he shouldn't be pardoned before you read it?

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I love the "I thought you were smarter than that" comment, gets me every time! LOLLERZ

I is stupid, sorry. Pleze repeet whut u sed aboot ecksakushun & pardoneng agin, thxz.

 

[cthulufhtagn]

sorry dude, hard to believe you understand me when you don't seem to understand the definition of "pardon"

 

[MadeInNewJersey]

Then why should he stay alive?