SymphonyX, boring?!!!
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ElPredicador
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TiO is the more commercial because it is clearly the most in your face of the Sx albums. However I wouldn't call it commercial, it just has a different approach, and is quite a good cd. I used to "hate" (read not like as much as nay of the other cd's) TiO because of it's "metal" oriented, although hearing it for the second time you see that it has some of the best songs out there: Through the looking..., the relic, lady of the snow. I really think that is the strangest SX album, since it has the some of the best songs, such as the mentioned before, but also has some of the worst SX songs: Orion the hunter (specially), in the dragons den. (Please note that it is still SX we are talking about, so they are great songs also, but I wouldn't cite them as good SX songs). I see why you could put it on the 1st or last place of your rating, but I can't see how someone could put V as the worst SX cd. Please enlighten me and explain how is that.
BTW, if a guy says SX is boring, who cares? for example you may find a rollercoaster very thrilling, while others don't like it. Its the same case with jazz: many people (among which are people who listen to good music, such as prog, some metal and classical) find jazz boring, even calling it supermarket music, while any jazz guitar player can kick most guitar player's (be it metal, classical or whatever) ass, and at the same time they say they listen to the best technically, compositionally and emotionally available music.
It is also rather interesting how this Dr Metal doesn't explain why he finds SX boring and so many people start arguing with worst arguments than the mentioned by Dr Metal
BTW, if a guy says SX is boring, who cares? for example you may find a rollercoaster very thrilling, while others don't like it. Its the same case with jazz: many people (among which are people who listen to good music, such as prog, some metal and classical) find jazz boring, even calling it supermarket music, while any jazz guitar player can kick most guitar player's (be it metal, classical or whatever) ass, and at the same time they say they listen to the best technically, compositionally and emotionally available music.
It is also rather interesting how this Dr Metal doesn't explain why he finds SX boring and so many people start arguing with worst arguments than the mentioned by Dr Metal
The choruses of tracks 10. and 11. really suck, the segues are unnecessary and Evolution is a mediocre power metal song, non-typical track for the band. I don't hate power metal, but I wish Symphony X would stay on progmetal. Allen made his worst performance on V of his career, he sounded a bit weak, though his strenght has been powerful voice. I'm disappointed with the new album, but I think Allen made much better performance on that.
OK! You're crazy, Evolution can't be more SymX style than it is!
First of all, If ''V'''s not a progressive album, than I don't know which album is, and I don't know what is Progressive metal...
Second, It's all one Concept, the lyrics and the music, and it's perfect.
Please tell me one more thing, how do You define commercial music?
As You say it, everything what's melodic it must be commercial...
blackstaRR, please answer me what kind of metal do You like the most?
Obviously, You're really ''smart'', so You probably listen to that kind of music...
Have in mind - SymX albums are how they all want them to be, and it's good that they are a bit different on every album, it makes them more interesting, and their style is something I think we don't need to talk about, because it's very original and unique, please tell me, how many bands today can say that for their own music?........
First of all, If ''V'''s not a progressive album, than I don't know which album is, and I don't know what is Progressive metal...
Second, It's all one Concept, the lyrics and the music, and it's perfect.
Please tell me one more thing, how do You define commercial music?
As You say it, everything what's melodic it must be commercial...
blackstaRR, please answer me what kind of metal do You like the most?
Obviously, You're really ''smart'', so You probably listen to that kind of music...
Have in mind - SymX albums are how they all want them to be, and it's good that they are a bit different on every album, it makes them more interesting, and their style is something I think we don't need to talk about, because it's very original and unique, please tell me, how many bands today can say that for their own music?........
ElPredicador
Yeah... Whatever
Grom Hellscream
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V is commercial, umm what the fuck.
I was playing V around some regular people(non informed metal fans) and I can quote " what is this radical shit your playing"
Maybe you don't like the segues, whith their new classical movie soundtrack sound. I fuckin love em, their genius. Explain yourself?
I was playing V around some regular people(non informed metal fans) and I can quote " what is this radical shit your playing"
Maybe you don't like the segues, whith their new classical movie soundtrack sound. I fuckin love em, their genius. Explain yourself?
Yes it varies, that's what makes them so interesting, but it's not really their style that varies, they are progressive, symphonic, and with some mystic and dark atmosphere on every album, that's their style!
In my opinion, the name of the band presents exactly that...
Tyrion
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I think "V" is their most "progressive" album so far, and it's also the one I like best. The segues add a great deal to the whole concept imo and I like them very much. I would love to hear these parts played by a "real" orchestra though, but that's probably too expensive for a band like Sy X, not to speak of the problems on a live tour...
The most "commercial" Sy X album (if you define "commercial" as "easiest accessable for a normal metal fan") would be "The Damnation Game" imo. The song structures are quite straight forward most of the time and they dont really have any longtracks yet. I still love that album, it's just a bit different from their later stuff (and especially from "V").
The most "commercial" Sy X album (if you define "commercial" as "easiest accessable for a normal metal fan") would be "The Damnation Game" imo. The song structures are quite straight forward most of the time and they dont really have any longtracks yet. I still love that album, it's just a bit different from their later stuff (and especially from "V").
I listen to all kinds of melodic metal, mostly melodic death & progmetal, and progressive rock, some death and black metal, and even some classical music, but I rather play it myself, than listen to it.
I respect Symphony X, songs like Edge of Forever, Accolade, Trough the Looking Glass and Candlelight Fantasia are real masterpieces, but of course it's impossible for any band always to please everyone. I simply don't like V, as I've told it only in this forum about 20 times, and I've told the reasons why as many times. Obviously I'm the only one of the friends of Symphony X's music (I don't call myself as "a fan", because that's such a stupid word), who dislikes V. I don't find any of the albums Symphony X has done commercial, but V has more than their other albums power metal influences, and as you know, some of power metal bands, like Stratovarius or Sonata Arctica, really are commercial, because many of their songs have catchy choruses and simple structures, though they might be technical and difficult to play. Anyway technicality and progressivity are two different things, though progmetal is used to be technical. Good music is good music, don't care if it's "commercial" or not.
Agreed.
Agreed.
Mostly you're right, but Edge of Forever differs totally from the other tracks, that is clearly the best track of Damnation Game and its structure is very changeable (both parts of Winter's dream are also very impressive, but far from the shine of Edge of Forever). That is maybe the most interesting song Symphony X has done so far, 9 minutes is too short period for that masterpiece.
Well, I really respect that You have Your own opinion, but I have to say that Sonata Arctica and Stratovarius are more some kind of Neo-classical metal such as Malmsteen, they're not really true power metal such as Helloween, Nocturnal rites or some similar bands...
Just one more thing; I think progressive metal are not just long (over 7 min songs) and changeable structures of the songs, there is much more than that...
Just one more thing; I think progressive metal are not just long (over 7 min songs) and changeable structures of the songs, there is much more than that...
I have a maybe for you. Maybe he isn't qualified to meltdown the metal scene for metal fans for the sole reason that he isn't a musician. Not to say that he shouldn't have his own opinion, or voice it for that matter.
Grom Hellscream
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to Black Starr:
Ok, have you ever heard of bands like King Crimson, Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator,Jethro Tull, Genesis and so on . Are they progressive? or commercial?
Some of them tried to adaptate classic music, some of them tried to do something new, some of them were very popular, I like that staff, but when I listened to V,soon I understood that I have never heard ANYTHING like that , never ever.
Yes , probably in songs like 10 and 11 Russel's singing was a bit weird and choruses are boring, but can you compare a song, say In the dragon's den with the song Death of Balance?
One of them is much more simple then the other, guess which one.
If you want to make a commercial album you don't have to use orchestrations and you do not have to think out a concept. for the album. V is ingenious album.
If you don't like V - it's OK, but please don't tell such shit anymore, OK
Ok, have you ever heard of bands like King Crimson, Yes, Van Der Graaf Generator,Jethro Tull, Genesis and so on . Are they progressive? or commercial?
Some of them tried to adaptate classic music, some of them tried to do something new, some of them were very popular, I like that staff, but when I listened to V,soon I understood that I have never heard ANYTHING like that , never ever.
Yes , probably in songs like 10 and 11 Russel's singing was a bit weird and choruses are boring, but can you compare a song, say In the dragon's den with the song Death of Balance?
One of them is much more simple then the other, guess which one.
If you want to make a commercial album you don't have to use orchestrations and you do not have to think out a concept. for the album. V is ingenious album.
If you don't like V - it's OK, but please don't tell such shit anymore, OK
Originally posted by vedr4n
why? cuz he actually has his own opinion? heh.. only one who look's like a retard here is you, nhf tho
No, your the one looking pretty stupid trying to justify wrongs in the world with the fact that it is opinion.
I don`t get what you`re saying here; Are you trying to imply that Symphony X is "more progressive" than the aforementioned bands? Even if you didn`t, I must stress that progressive does not have to do anything with the number of time changes and fast solos, what it means is change, the opposite of rigid adherence to tried and true concepts of music. Many of the bands labeling themselves as progressive are regressive, as they do nothing but rehash old ideas and approaches, like Pagan`s Mind. Of course, the music might be great, but calling them progressive is fallacious, IMO.
Fyhed
I like music
I absolutely adore Prog rock, its my favourite genre of music. But I dont find Symphony x all that interesting.
I mean I love Dream Theater, Gordian knot, Cynic and older stuff like Camel and King crimson. But Symphony x adds nothing to the genre and plus its substandard when comparing them to Dream Theater, in musicianship and songwriting. To me they are Dream theater with more power metal moments.
I mean I love Dream Theater, Gordian knot, Cynic and older stuff like Camel and King crimson. But Symphony x adds nothing to the genre and plus its substandard when comparing them to Dream Theater, in musicianship and songwriting. To me they are Dream theater with more power metal moments.
Grom Hellscream
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I was trying to say, that V is progressive. And I don't get what did you say here.
If you know what is progressive , tell me please. A choir of monkeys would be progressive, because it would very new and conceptual? I don't think so.
V is 1 Deep. 2 Conceptual 3. Sophisticated 4. Heavy 5. Beautiful 6. I fu**ing love it.
Is it enough for me to think that it is a progressive album? Yes!
A very silly example, but sadly something that could have been a reality, knowing the escapades of modern classical composers. While the above example might be progressive when using my term, you must know that I not in any way imply that more progressive= better. There is plenty of great music out there that add nothing fundamentally different to the world of music.
What I`m trying to say is that progressive is about changing, developing into something new, touching new ground where noone has been before. Whether that is good or not has nothing to do with my definition. Original music can be just as crappy as unoriginal music. While Symphony X`s approach to Power Metal certainly is progressive, I`m a bit reluctant to call V progressive. It is a great album, no doubt about that, but it doesn`t bring anything fundamentally new to the bands music or to the music world at large. It merely perfects what they have done since 1994. However, YMMV, and my definition may not be yours.
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