Although it's early days, I can't see these two teams outside of the top 4 next year. Along with Crows, who have 1 maybe 2 more years to give the Granny a crack, will be in the top 4. Freo again maybe?
they used to be the absolute laughing stock of the AFL, now they have some credability now that they have won a finals match, I'm yet to be overtly impressed. They can play some outstanding footy at times, its just frustrating to watch them crumble so often