The business behind getting high.
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J.DavisNJ
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Ah herb smoking, touchy subject indeed.
I'm gonna try to keep it short and to the point!
My first time smoking herb was probably freshman year of highschool (hell, maybe even 8th grade, lol). The first few times, smoking with the boys was a really fun time. Being a bunch of jerks, chilling while my buddy's parents were away and not causing any real trouble. Just being retarded, listening to Cephalic Carnage, and eating lots of pizza.
Now that I'm 24, I look at the situation in the following way. I for one could never be a habitual smoker. I know the state of mind that it puts me in and the laziness, apathy, and lack of motivation that it can sometimes bring. Nowadays, my smoking consists of maybe once a week with my buddies who smoke WAY more than myself. Sit around, watch movies, bullshit about music, normal stuff.
Sometimes, however, I feel that we could be WAY more productive with our time. I do enjoy toking with these people, but on a Saturday night I can think of many other way cooler things to do. Chasing women, being social, meeting new people, women, errr did I say women already? lol. In fact sometimes we will hit up the bar, then head back to my buddy's, smoke a blunt and relax. Many times I enjoy it, but many I do NOT.
I'm not the kind of person that enjoys smoking in a big social environment. If I'm partying, out at a bar, or with people I am not familiar with it can be hell. I can turn into a non-socializing vegetable which I'm not cool with. I did this way too many times, so I have relaxed with toking in these situations.
Now, there are those who can fully function on weed and go about their everyday lives. Hey, more power to you. While this may be true, I've seen some good kids that have became gigantic potheads and truly do nothing with their lives. They sit in their basement, smoke weed, sell weed, and hope that some of their pothead friends will stick around to blaze with them. Not a very exciting, productive, or positive life.
The above is only ONE category of potheads. If you can function normally, show up to work on time, and be motivated...great. I do think, however, that pot WILL affect your productivity to an extent. If you have been a long time pothead, then you do have a biased view of the subject. If pothead A quit smoking, I do think he/she would see a significant change in the way they view things, the amount of work they can get done, and their general attitude. Again, there are many exceptions, this is just a general viewpoint.
I guess my main point is, pot affects different people in so many different ways, that's it's hard to generalize or pin point. With that being said, I think smokers generally will have a ton more energy, motivation, and a clearer state of mind if they were to give the pot a temporary rest...even if for a little while.
Peace.
-Joe
I'm gonna try to keep it short and to the point!
My first time smoking herb was probably freshman year of highschool (hell, maybe even 8th grade, lol). The first few times, smoking with the boys was a really fun time. Being a bunch of jerks, chilling while my buddy's parents were away and not causing any real trouble. Just being retarded, listening to Cephalic Carnage, and eating lots of pizza.
Now that I'm 24, I look at the situation in the following way. I for one could never be a habitual smoker. I know the state of mind that it puts me in and the laziness, apathy, and lack of motivation that it can sometimes bring. Nowadays, my smoking consists of maybe once a week with my buddies who smoke WAY more than myself. Sit around, watch movies, bullshit about music, normal stuff.
Sometimes, however, I feel that we could be WAY more productive with our time. I do enjoy toking with these people, but on a Saturday night I can think of many other way cooler things to do. Chasing women, being social, meeting new people, women, errr did I say women already? lol. In fact sometimes we will hit up the bar, then head back to my buddy's, smoke a blunt and relax. Many times I enjoy it, but many I do NOT.
I'm not the kind of person that enjoys smoking in a big social environment. If I'm partying, out at a bar, or with people I am not familiar with it can be hell. I can turn into a non-socializing vegetable which I'm not cool with. I did this way too many times, so I have relaxed with toking in these situations.
Now, there are those who can fully function on weed and go about their everyday lives. Hey, more power to you. While this may be true, I've seen some good kids that have became gigantic potheads and truly do nothing with their lives. They sit in their basement, smoke weed, sell weed, and hope that some of their pothead friends will stick around to blaze with them. Not a very exciting, productive, or positive life.
The above is only ONE category of potheads. If you can function normally, show up to work on time, and be motivated...great. I do think, however, that pot WILL affect your productivity to an extent. If you have been a long time pothead, then you do have a biased view of the subject. If pothead A quit smoking, I do think he/she would see a significant change in the way they view things, the amount of work they can get done, and their general attitude. Again, there are many exceptions, this is just a general viewpoint.
I guess my main point is, pot affects different people in so many different ways, that's it's hard to generalize or pin point. With that being said, I think smokers generally will have a ton more energy, motivation, and a clearer state of mind if they were to give the pot a temporary rest...even if for a little while.
Peace.
-Joe
Chryst Krispies
Vanilla Gorilla
@ Joe,
The point is the people that are the basement apathetic kind are like that with pot or not. But I assume pot can't be helping hahaha.
I've never smoked either. Not even once. I guess I gotta give in to peer pressure more often and win some gold medals.
WHERE YOU AT TAD?
The point is the people that are the basement apathetic kind are like that with pot or not. But I assume pot can't be helping hahaha.
I've never smoked either. Not even once. I guess I gotta give in to peer pressure more often and win some gold medals.
WHERE YOU AT TAD?
J.DavisNJ
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Yeah, I'm sure that is the case in certain situations, but what about the guy who is the complete opposite, starts smoking, then begins to forget his responsibilities, and travels the downward spiral into grade A couch potato? lol.
-Joe
J.DavisNJ
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After reading 006's posts, I do feel I was a bit harsh with the stereotypical stoner overtones, but I just know this from experience seeing people go down this path. I guess my bias comes in because I've met more like this than like yourself.
I will say however, that I would NOT want my pregnant wife smoking pot. I don't care if it's less harmful than cigarettes...inhaling ANY type of smoke is not beneficial for you physically, even if you do not ever become sick from it.
-Joe
I will say however, that I would NOT want my pregnant wife smoking pot. I don't care if it's less harmful than cigarettes...inhaling ANY type of smoke is not beneficial for you physically, even if you do not ever become sick from it.
-Joe
J.DavisNJ said:
And if you haven't been a long time pothead, then you do have a biased view of the subject as well.
Honestly, I have quit before. Just to save money and, oddly enough, partly to see how much of a difference it made. I saved some money, for sure, but my productivity and whatnot had not changed a bit after not smoking for over 6 months. My stress level went up though. Hmm. Also, not that I smoke weed just to help me sleep or anything, but I had much more trouble sleeping during those 6 months than I ever did. I go to bed all the time completely sober, hell with a few days since the last toke...no problem. But the main reason I smoke: to relax because I'm always stressed out. I have anxiety. Weed helps that. Funny I bring it up now but I've also been to the doctor in the past because of my anxiety/stress issues. I've been up and down and back up the entire line of prescription medication for the problem....weed is the only one that actually did anything. My productivity not changing...not a big surprise to me, I'm as active sober as I am high. In fact, I'd wager that during those 6 months my activity actually slowed because I wanted to try and relax a lot more and couldn't. Make sure you understand that I am not dependent on weed at all. I literally have anxiety/stress problems, diagnosed by a handful of PhDs with unsuccessful treatment (meds), weed works though.
~006
J.DavisNJ
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And if you haven't been a long time pothead, then you do have a biased view of the subject as well.
Honestly, I have quit before. Just to save money and, oddly enough, partly to see how much of a difference it made. I saved some money, for sure, but my productivity and whatnot had not changed a bit after not smoking for over 6 months. My stress level went up though. Hmm. Also, not that I smoke weed just to help me sleep or anything, but I had much more trouble sleeping during those 6 months than I ever did. I go to bed all the time completely sober, hell with a few days since the last toke...no problem. But the main reason I smoke: to relax because I'm always stressed out. I have anxiety. Weed helps that. Funny I bring it up now but I've also been to the doctor in the past because of my anxiety/stress issues. I've been up and down and back up the entire line of prescription medication for the problem....weed is the only one that actually did anything. My productivity not changing...not a big surprise to me, I'm as active sober as I am high. In fact, I'd wager that during those 6 months my activity actually slowed because I wanted to try and relax a lot more and couldn't. Make sure you understand that I am not dependent on weed at all. I literally have anxiety/stress problems, diagnosed by a handful of PhDs with unsuccessful treatment (meds), weed works though.
~006
Fair enough...
Hey man, if it works for you...cool. I have never tried doing it on a consistent basis. I could very well be in the same spot as you, who knows. At this point I don't think I'd be willing to try it though. Too $$ to boot!
You are correct that not smoking for semi-long periods of time will put you back into the shoes of blazing for the first time ever. I know that well.
I do not, however, get the velvety body high anymore...at least not as much. Probably the herb we smoke.
-Joe
J.DavisNJ
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Well, I think we all have those same everyday things to deal with...it depends on how you react to them. Do you have panic attacks? In that case I would say it's warranted, but the stuff you described above seems like everyday life...lol.
-Joe
-Joe
To understand what my stress/anxiety issues are like, I'm sure you can all relate given the following example. You get up, maybe it's your day off from work/school, and so you want to get some stuff done. You need to hit up 150 different places, get in and out of the car, traffic, your phone is going off every 15-20 minutes with somebody wanting to hang out, go do xxxxxxx with, whatever, your parents are calling reminding you that we have dinner tonight, even though you forgot and just made plans with your friend that called you 15 minutes before your parents did, you almost get home and you realize you forgot to do the main thing you wanted to do but the place closes in 5 minutes and all you want to do is go home and relax for just one fucking minute but you have more to do after that and the next day you have work.
Welcome to how I feel 24/7 unless I can smoke some weed.
~006
Welcome to how I feel 24/7 unless I can smoke some weed.
~006
Joe, it's not normal to feel how I feel all day every day, even if I'm just sitting at home watching a movie. Yes, I have had panic attacks. This is how I was before I smoked, this is how am when I don't smoke. What has changed between me feeling like that and feeling normal/fine? Weed.
J.DavisNJ
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I understand dude, no problem! I'm glad you clarified, because I was going based on what you described as everyday stuff. If you have abnormal reactions to these things, then I can understand why you smoke and am glad it works for you. More power to you!
I've had a couple mild panic attacks in the past, but they seem to be isolated incidents. Public speaking was one of them in college. Boy did I hate giving presentations. I actually dreaded it up until it was over.
-Joe
abyssofdreams
knows what you think.
I only watched the first minutes but question...
isn't smoking anything unhealthy? Inhaling any smoke can't be good, right? Be it tobacco or anything else.
The reason I ask is because they make it look like it would actually do no physical harm whatsoever or I was being unobserving at some point.
Plus, I'm pretty certain some people have taken brain damage from too much pot, can't be that it is completely harmless if abused excessively.
Interesting footage nonetheless!
isn't smoking anything unhealthy? Inhaling any smoke can't be good, right? Be it tobacco or anything else.
The reason I ask is because they make it look like it would actually do no physical harm whatsoever or I was being unobserving at some point.
Plus, I'm pretty certain some people have taken brain damage from too much pot, can't be that it is completely harmless if abused excessively.
Interesting footage nonetheless!
The thing is, yes, burning anything and inhaling the smoke is not good. That's just common sense. However, weed is not treated with the chemicals and additives that tobacco is like when you buy a pack of Camels. So that alone is tons better for you in comparison to tobacco. The best way to "smoke" weed is to use a vaporizer. This way you are not burning anything at all and inhaling pure vapor from the weed, essentially getting all the benefits and none of the adverse properties that come with burning it. People have been smoking weed for thousands of years using pipes by burning it.
You cannot smoke enough to kill yourself, overdose or otherwise harm yourself in any one sitting. It's impossible. The LD50 of marijuana is nearly astronomical, generally speaking. Show me one case of brain damage or anything along those lines (other than that BS study with monkeys where they fed them marijuana smoke with ZERO oxygen until they died or developed brain problems from the lack of OXYGEN and not from weed) from smoking weed and then we'll talk. Your brain has THC receptors in it. Naturally. Think about that.
~006
You cannot smoke enough to kill yourself, overdose or otherwise harm yourself in any one sitting. It's impossible. The LD50 of marijuana is nearly astronomical, generally speaking. Show me one case of brain damage or anything along those lines (other than that BS study with monkeys where they fed them marijuana smoke with ZERO oxygen until they died or developed brain problems from the lack of OXYGEN and not from weed) from smoking weed and then we'll talk. Your brain has THC receptors in it. Naturally. Think about that.
~006
abyssofdreams
knows what you think.
Well I can't give any evidence for brain damage. I only observed some people I know who consume a lot(!) weed over the years and I feel that the consumption did affect their thinking and/or character in some way. I know that this is a risky claim and it's hard to judge if that is the case since I don't know how these guys would be if they would have never consumed any weed in the first place.
Personally I have nothing against marijuana legalization, I think it should be legalized for apparent reasons. I just don't buy that it doesn't affect you in some sense.
Personally I have nothing against marijuana legalization, I think it should be legalized for apparent reasons. I just don't buy that it doesn't affect you in some sense.
I get panic attacks. Have general anxiety (all day and night) and (surprise, look at my screen name) social anxiety for reasons I can not explain. Had it for the better part of my life. Been up and down the prescription chain. Nothing helps, in fact: they just made things worst. While some uber good pot has not and probably wont "cure" me, it does give me some relief at the end of the day. If only for a couple of hours. A couple of beers and a bowl, I feel "normal" for a while.
I used to smoke the stuff all day and night. For me, that was not a good thing. I did slow down for a bit there but I can not ignore all the drugs I was doing at the same time as well. Basically I got bored of drugs and quit everything together. Fast forward to today and pot has no negative effect on me.
I'm lucky that I never have to pay for it. I pretty much got an endless supply of BC bud and enjoy the finer stuff when it comes around. For free.
For what it's worth.
I used to smoke the stuff all day and night. For me, that was not a good thing. I did slow down for a bit there but I can not ignore all the drugs I was doing at the same time as well. Basically I got bored of drugs and quit everything together. Fast forward to today and pot has no negative effect on me.
I'm lucky that I never have to pay for it. I pretty much got an endless supply of BC bud and enjoy the finer stuff when it comes around. For free.
For what it's worth.
I see/hear people say that a lot. Is weed the only thing these people are doing? In my experience the heavy smoking slow people also did/do various other drugs which do cause mental problems.
I gotta agree - the fact is, anything that affects one as blatantly as weed is bound to have some kind of consequence for forming a habit around it; it has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer, unlike antidepressants which I can say from personal experience are very specifically targeted and thus have zero noticeable effect except gradually bringing up my mood baseline to where it's supposed to be, rather than just feeling crappy all the time for no good reason. Really, the fact is that most people start doing drugs to solve a problem or fill a void in their lives, but self-medicating with the herb (or booze, or the harder stuff god forbid) just really seems like an incredibly blunt, crude means that will inevitably have consequences. I'm sorry you guys haven't had success with prescription meds, Mike and Jorge, but I know I really wanna try to solve my problems without turning to a drug that's as potent as marijuana, as tempting as the prospect of quick, easy relief may be ("If you take the quick and easy path, as Vader did, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will"). And I don't mean to be overly "holier-than-thou" or whatnot, but I admit this is as much convincing myself as anyone else, so I've gotta be real.
Chryst Krispies
Vanilla Gorilla
I get panic attacks. Have general anxiety (all day and night) and (surprise, look at my screen name) social anxiety for reasons I can not explain. Had it for the better part of my life. Been up and down the prescription chain. Nothing helps, in fact: they just made things worst. While some uber good pot has not and probably wont "cure" me, it does give me some relief at the end of the day. If only for a couple of hours. A couple of beers and a bowl, I feel "normal" for a while.
I used to smoke the stuff all day and night. For me, that was not a good thing. I did slow down for a bit there but I can not ignore all the drugs I was doing at the same time as well. Basically I got bored of drugs and quit everything together. Fast forward to today and pot has no negative effect on me.
I'm lucky that I never have to pay for it. I pretty much got an endless supply of BC bud and enjoy the finer stuff when it comes around. For free.
For what it's worth.
That's like me and booze. I can't function in a social setting without substance. I am a fucking mess.
Dude, im terribly sorry, but antidepressants are one of the worst addictions you can possibly have. Read up on people trying to get off of anti depressants and the absolute fucking misery and side-effects you go through, because you guessed it, its addictive!
Many people that I know have totaled cars taking them, woke up in either the hospital or jail (friend of mine woke up in jail with a missing appendix) without _ANY_ recollection of the event. If the high is just as good or better than drinking booze (and it is, makes you feel the exact same, terrible response/reaction time, no recollection of any event the prior night, no puking or horseshit candy apple drinks, no hangover, cheap) and you're going to put in the same category as marijuana in regards to how much it fucks you up, and addictive properties? They are nowhere close im afraid.I smoke when I wake up, I smoke on my lunch break, and I smoke when I go home. It's a normal everyday process, I'm not any "slower", or less functional in the slightest bit, and I sleep fantastic every night (a good portion of the medicinal use for marijuana is for sleeping aid, instead of getting a tranquilizer pill from the drug store that knocks you out cold for 10 hours). Yes the urge to be a lazy bastard is brought forth, but the fact is I manage my life perfectly fine and without the feeling of "addiction", because I choose to not be worthless, unlike the MUCH higher population of absolutely pathetic, thieving, lying drunks and pillheads than stoners i have encountered. Most people who take drugs to excess normally just an addictive personality from the start, and they are going to abuse drugs in the first place. There is an infinite list of hardcore stoners that have done amazing things with their lives. Its totally fucked up to condone "Law abiding adults" getting absolutely fucking smashed in a bar to the point of not being able to do a simple act in walking your drunk ass out, take opiates that are hand fed to them when their neck hurts (Pot and heroin are bad for you, so we just took the main ingredient of heroin, added TYLENOL!!!! Yeah you guessed it, you can OVERDOSE on these! Yet its physically impossible to come close to dying with pot), but the lazy kids who smoke a fucking medically proven, harmless plant that threatens the sales of their useless non-working drugs because it works without the worry of a side effect that isn't even worth taking in the first place, are "The enemy/drug war/terrorist/that retard hippie guy that did to much acid etc". Fuck that, and fuck these people trying to tell me I can't do one of the most simple freedoms you can have as a human being, PUT WHAT THE FUCK I WANT INTO MY BODY!!
The thing that heats me up about this stupid fucking drug war horseshit is the fact that half of my friends have totaled cars, gotten dui's, _REALLY_ fucked their life up, im not talking "wahh im a fucking lazy son of a bitch that wont get a job because i just want to smoke weed all day, those people just suck ass and are lazy", were talking thousands of dollars in fines and bullshit, the EXTREME possibility of killing yourself, and especially other people in the process, and a fat DUI stamp on your record. I would much rather have a simple posession charge and the ability to function. The fact that drinking literally destroys your ability to make any kind of conscious decision, I honestly have never seen it even in the same league with pot.
The "heyyy broo" people you all are referring to, either use heroin, oxycontin, LSD, shrooms and or other hallucinogens. And if they tell you they have never done any of those in somewhat excess, they are flat out fucking lying to you. Most of them use marijuana to come clean of harder drugs like meth/crack/heroin/perscriptions, and its proven to aid the REAL drug addicts. So to answer your question, I have yet to see someone go stupid from JUST smoking pot.
And I also have no problem what ANYONE puts in their body, as long as you don't fuck with me, you can do any drug you want. And I will do what I want
BTW JOE ROGAN IS FUCKING KING
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