"'God himself cannot exist without wise men,' Luther said, and was right. But 'God can exist even less without unwise men,' that good old Luther did not say." -Nietzche
any thoughts?
any thoughts?
The conditions of 'God'
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Black Winter Day
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Too tired to draw up an elaborate response at the moment. My only thought is how much NAD loves Nietzsche.
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Demonspell
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Black Winter Day
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NAD
What A Horrible Night To Have A Curse
Typical fucking Nietzsche bullshit.
That being said
the concept of a higher power exists in even the most basic forms of man, whether it be the bottle for a baby or the parental figure that one is supposed to fear that the church tells you about (or are we supposed to love him now? I can't keep up 
). Part of man's nature is to find some explaination of why we're here, like there is some damn purpose for existence other than breeding, or even just being.
I think I'm still drunk from last night...
That being said
the concept of a higher power exists in even the most basic forms of man, whether it be the bottle for a baby or the parental figure that one is supposed to fear that the church tells you about (or are we supposed to love him now? I can't keep up ). Part of man's nature is to find some explaination of why we're here, like there is some damn purpose for existence other than breeding, or even just being. I think I'm still drunk from last night...
Black Winter Day
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Man's evolution on earth demands it. It is a transition from matter to body to mind to soul to spirit. God is an ideal for all that transcends the earthly - what lies beyond the rung of spiritual awareness i.e. the absolute nothingness that is everything. God, as an abstact concept, must exist in men's minds to reconcile their own place on earth and the spiritual uncertainties of what lies beyond. It also serves as an avatar for morality. (Demonspell's quote was Voltaire, by the way.)Under a Stone said:
Papa Josh
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NAD said:Typical fucking Nietzsche bullshit.
That being said
I think I'm still drunk from last night...
but how do you know what a baby thinks
I otherwise agree mostly. However I think some people believe in God just for the convenience of not having to worry about certain otherwordly things.
J.
Old Fart
This does not work. The human mind would not allow it. You either believe or you don't. There is no in-between. You worry or you don't.FauxPerspicacity said:
God is not a convenience (except for Catholic priests) and people who believe so are only fooling themselves.
The Vikings had it right. They believed in various Gods (I believe, I'm no expert. Erik? Sorath?) and Valhalla. They didn't believe Odin was a convenience. They didn't fear death, they welcomed a courageous fate. They believed death was only the beginning. Indeed, they had it right.
I pretty much believe the same, in principle, though with a different God.
J.
Old Fart
But that can be prevented. I fear death not at all.Erik said:
I know many atheists who fear death very much.
NAD
What A Horrible Night To Have A Curse
I fully admit that I have no fucking clue what god or God or gods or Gods is or are, but I do think there is some other force in the universe well beyond the grasp of my mind. Also I get really pissed off at the hypocrisy with many religions (examples are unnecessary), but I do find nearly all to be fascinating on many levels. Except the Mormons, they're just fucking dumb.
Caelum Adustum
Call me Ishmael
Death is beyond human comprehension. We spend our entire lives thinking of what will happen after our last breath. I see no reason to fear death.
"The certain prospect of death could sweeten every life with a precious and fragrant drop of levity-and now you strange apothecary souls have turned it into an ill-tasting drop of poison that makes the whole of life repulsive."
Caelum Adustum
Call me Ishmael
I do often wonder one thing though, why is it people find it so hard to believe anything in the bible (or any other religious text for that matter) but they believe science without a doubt?
How can you prove scientifically that something did or did not happen in history?
It wouldn't be so bad if these people admitted they don't know, but they don't. They just say "blah blah this scientist says this so it must be true."
How can you prove scientifically that something did or did not happen in history?
It wouldn't be so bad if these people admitted they don't know, but they don't. They just say "blah blah this scientist says this so it must be true."
NAD
What A Horrible Night To Have A Curse
I fully agree. The "best possible truth" is iffy at best because it can always change. Earth used to be flat you know...Caelum Adustum said:
Hell Mike
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I believe many things from science because I consider them well enough proven. Stuff like that the earth is round and such. And that the world is pretty old.
Demonspell
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I believe that only a few people fear death itself, rather the gradual decay of one's vitality that precedes it, or what they perceive follows it as taught by Christianity and other major religions. I lean more towards the former because all earthy pleasures are secondary to one's health, once that permanently wanes life ceases to have any promise. I believe in an afterlife, but I don't consciously consider how my actions may impact it.
Black Winter Day
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If you accept science and nothing deeper, you are entrenched in the fundamental Elightenment problem: making maps of the world but leaving out the mapmaker. Science and empiricism are only half the battle, the right hand side, the outer layers of things; a monological view. One must take into account the inner, subjective world as well, one we cannot understand without interpretation. If you accept one without the other, you are not seeing the full picture.
I do not fear death because, in my youth, it is not real to me.
I do not fear death because, in my youth, it is not real to me.
