Blue_Jay
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Don't think so
. I said earlier on in here that I believed that God and Satan were created at the same time together. Which two sentences do you mean
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Don't think so
. I said earlier on in here that I believed that God and Satan were created at the same time together. Which two sentences do you mean
zoidberg
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those 2! you said god planned evrything from the getgo. then in the same post you said he didnt plan hell or satan.
i have a question on christianity. how is it Satan isnt considered a God? hes a deity, he rules over i big supernatural domain, people worship him. why not call him a rogue god? religions have rogue gods, like osiris' brother, who butchered him, for example.
Blue_Jay
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That's cause satan was made not from God, but they were both made at the same time. They've been fighting each other for eternity. The devil makes an appearence in the bible one week after the world was born. The bible didn't say "God made the Devil" so he must have been made the same time God was made.
Cause there's only one God cause the bible says so. People worship the devil because they think it sounds cool since they don't believe in God or the devil. Satanists even admit that they are atheists, and they take the side of the devil cause they don't like christians because they know it's what ticks them off.
zoidberg
Mallcore Kid
can you back that up, or are you arguing just for the sake of arguing?
so you just reasoned it out? thats your explanation?
that doesnt work, you cant call other peoples gods not gods just because you believe that your god is the only god. i guess your to tell me zues or odin arent gods (real or not) either.
Blue_Jay
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I can't cause that's how I backed up what you were asking. I don't see how else the devil existed, God certainly woundn't make him. As for how God and the Devil was made, nobody will ever know.
Zeus and Odin are idols. The devil in society has always been considered just pure evil and not a god, the bible doesn't even call him a god.
DigToChina
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You are completely wrong. God and Satan haven't been "fighting each other for eternity." Lucifer was practically God's right hand man until he decided that he was more fit to rule over Heaven than God was and he conviced...I don't remember, [large number] of other angels that he should be ruler as well and they fought God and his loyal army and got smited. He was an Archangel, if you knew the Bible at all you'd know that's like the top tier of Angels. He exists because God allows him to, God is supposed to be "omnipitent and omnipresent."
That being said, I'm basing my knowledge mostly off of Paradise Lost and I haven't read that in a while but... somebody's got to answe poor Zoidberg's questions correctly.
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zoidberg
Mallcore Kid
so you see the flaws? why does god not make his word known? become an atheist!!
thats because Texas is a society of blasphemers, who do drugs and sodomize and do nothing to live christian lives, and as soon as they see something thats not christian the flip a switch in thier head and bash it. they never read thebible, they only take others word on what is in the bible. i know because i live here. society is a dumbass, and you shouldnt listen. use that sense of reason you apparently have and question things.
and odin and zues are idol gods, not just idols.
zoidberg
Mallcore Kid
thank you, and ive heard that too, but mostly in movies and stuff lol.You are completely wrong. God and Satan haven't been "fighting each other for eternity." Lucifer was practically God's right hand man until he decided that he was more fit to rule over Heaven than God was and he conviced...I don't remember, [large number] of other angels that he should be ruler as well and they fought God and his loyal army and got smited. He was an Archangel, if you knew the Bible at all you'd know that's like the top tier of Angels. He exists because God allows him to, God is supposed to be "omnipitent and omnipresent."
That being said, I'm basing my knowledge mostly off of Paradise Lost and I haven't read that in a while but... somebody's got to answe poor Zoidberg's questions correctly.
Matt
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That being said, I'm basing my knowledge mostly off of Paradise Lost and I haven't read that in a while but... somebody's got to answe poor Zoidberg's questions correctly.
I know he was cast out of heaven, don't know (or care) why, even though stories covering the topic are interesting
DigToChina
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Blue_Jay
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Haha, he has all the important stuff mentioned that we should know.
??? That was random. Your right about the "idol gods" thing, you can call them that if you want, no big difference. The people who "worship" the devil, although, don't believe in him.
Nah, that was Lucifer man. Satan has always been in hell.
Maybe there's a reason behind that story, maybe God used it to tell the world something like God has authority over all or something like that.
Matt
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Um ok? I was saying stories in general, not Paradise Lost.
PL is obviously an all-time great.
zoidberg
Mallcore Kid
it wasnt random, you said satan has always been viewed as the root of all evil in society, so i bashed society!
and there is a differenc between satanism and devil worship! curse you and you confusion Anton Lavey!:shakefist:
EDIT: and lucifer was a Roman deity who somehow got mixed into Judeo Christian terms. his name is roman for 'bringer of light'. he is supposed to not even been mentioned in the bible at all.
and there is a differenc between satanism and devil worship! curse you and you confusion Anton Lavey!:shakefist:
EDIT: and lucifer was a Roman deity who somehow got mixed into Judeo Christian terms. his name is roman for 'bringer of light'. he is supposed to not even been mentioned in the bible at all.
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Blue_Jay
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Nay, Lucifer is a fallen angel from heaven who now lives in hell. He leads all the angels down there. Satan is another name for the devil.
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then Exorcism of Emily Rose LIES!
not that it was a good movie anyway and not that i get my religious facts from there but i would have sworn on my life that lucifer and satan were two different names for the same guy, and that he has plenty more which now i cannot recall
zoidberg
Mallcore Kid
ive read a really small bit of the satanic bible, and the basic beliefs arent a far stretch from most religions.
but something wierd about using naked women as alters with a chalice of blood and candles made of baby fat. and ringing a gong in front of the women, and then jacking off in the other room tomake you more sexually desirable.
and they say magic is manipulating the world around you ar something like that, so thier magic isnt real!
but something wierd about using naked women as alters with a chalice of blood and candles made of baby fat. and ringing a gong in front of the women, and then jacking off in the other room tomake you more sexually desirable.
and they say magic is manipulating the world around you ar something like that, so thier magic isnt real!
Rabid Headbanger
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No. The christians actually merged them in the middle ages. Contrary to satan (anger, hatred, destruction, lies) who bears a striking resemblence to belial (same domain, same amount of power, if not more), lucifer is actually just rebelious.
The bible also seems to have merged satan with samael (rationality, logic, realism), who was ACTUALLY the demon in serpent form that tempted eve.
Unfortunately, the christians really can't keep track of thier demon pantheons, so usually the seperate demons get merged into satan.
http://demons.monstrous.com/demonic_encyclo.htm
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